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You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM
Yes, it's very fun to be political with your writings, but it's not anything particularly new. He's just the darling of the spec fic crowd because he's political and New Weird. If there's another reason, I don't see it; his prose is good, but definitely not exceptional, and his plots are nothing compared to Book of the New Sun, at least.

By the way, I'm not sure I ever actually thanked you for getting me to read Book of the New Sun (to be honest, like all other of my favorite reads it's mostly due to WoTmania's Quote of the Moment, but you were the second biggest influence ;). So thanks. :P


Glad to know that you enjoyed Wolfe's masterpiece. I just finished re-reading the second half of it for the fourth time last night. As for Miéville, what does any perceived association with the "New Weird" have to do with anything? That term isn't exactly a defined area, plus Miéville has distanced himself from it. I'd argue that any importance placed on his works deals with a combination of his works capturing a sort of Zeitgeist, as well as the quality of his stories as a whole (I prefer his shorter fiction).
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 1834 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1516 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 760 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1349 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1449 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1348 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1519 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1386 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 769 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1510 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1396 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1342 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 612 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1126 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1478 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1245 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1336 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1302 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 519 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 697 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1270 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1229 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1365 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1370 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1298 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1214 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 747 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 977 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1208 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 679 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 651 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1286 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1277 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1280 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1242 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 1035 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 589 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 632 Views
Re: Six best fantasy novels? Aeryn - 04/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 1382 Views
I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1176 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1141 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1248 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 671 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 664 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1280 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1279 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1323 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1370 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 706 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1165 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1317 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1305 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1326 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1422 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1400 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 599 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 655 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1181 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1265 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1258 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1353 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1332 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1191 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 714 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 560 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1363 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1198 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1099 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1221 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1261 Views
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