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Re: Really? Camilla Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM
which appears to be happening here.

I view mimetic fiction, speculative fiction, religious tracts, Popsicle renderings of Madonna, etc. as being expressions of material culture. All of these divisions, arbitrary as they often are, are just as much of a list making as were the 72 parts of the divine language from the medieval period (itself an arbitrary thing ultimately).

That is a very limiting view of literature.

That's an interesting interpretation of what I'm arguing for here, since I actually consider literature in this schema to be very important in ways that go beyond narrative structures.


But you are reducing it to something other than what it is. It is quite an assumption to make, and one which always annoys me in Marxist critics. They usually have some very good points, and then they lose all claims to credibility through this massive hubris.

As for the others that made this list, it originally started as being a fuzzy cloud of sorts, linking together thematic representations as much as anything else.

Then it shouldn't be presented as a list of fantasy works.

Well, if you read what VanderMeer said when he compiled all of the suggestions, I think you could detect a sense that he was just compiling what had been submitted and that YMMV.


To which end?
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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2372 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 897 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 886 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 311 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 812 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 1067 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 802 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 887 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 916 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 956 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 653 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 775 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 828 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 728 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 801 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 840 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1176 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 859 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 832 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 283 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 382 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 837 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 860 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 886 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 992 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 937 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 635 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 809 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 710 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 911 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 828 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 731 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 669 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 700 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 709 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 851 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 802 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 713 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 821 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 844 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 914 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 702 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 929 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 632 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 782 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 662 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 832 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 747 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 1017 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 752 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 389 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 768 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 903 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 866 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 420 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 953 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1158 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 679 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 881 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 772 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 746 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 672 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 1078 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 897 Views
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