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But that is not all it is. Camilla Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM
I'm just merely acknowledging that and that literature is one of several ways that people relate their hopes, fears, dreams, and aspirations (among other things) for others to interpret and to consider. If that is hubris...strange...



It is when you reduce it to the material conditions that I get a problem.


When I say "material culture," I'm not thinking of materialism in the same sense that a traditional Marxist would. I'm referring to it being a physical manifestation of societal concerns, goals, etc. Nothing more than that. I'm too religious to be a materialist, after all
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Since people are weighing in on that best fantasy list I posted, how many on this list have ya read? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:22:40 AM 2381 Views
A lot of those books aren't fantasy. Tom - 06/12/2009 05:34:18 AM 909 Views
Most of those depend upon how loosely one defines it Larry - 06/12/2009 06:41:50 AM 895 Views
Up next, fantasy fans attempt to co-opt Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:20:03 AM 322 Views
Actually, considering who put that list together, I'd at least look into their rationales Larry - 06/12/2009 07:42:11 AM 824 Views
Mmm... there's been a pronounced tendency among spec ficcers, from what I've seen, Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:09:26 AM 1078 Views
I agree Camilla - 06/12/2009 09:35:32 AM 811 Views
I'm a bit different than that Larry - 06/12/2009 09:20:09 PM 897 Views
Re: I'm a bit different than that Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:04:47 AM 929 Views
Then what should it be defined as? Larry - 07/12/2009 02:28:55 AM 967 Views
What, didn't you major in Fixing Up Confusions and other Issues? Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:49:30 AM 664 Views
I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes Larry - 07/12/2009 02:50:35 AM 787 Views
You majored in being a pain in the butt is what you majored in. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:00 AM 840 Views
No, that was my second minor Larry - 07/12/2009 02:54:53 AM 739 Views
In that case, I trust my definition more than theirs. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 03:05:32 AM 812 Views
Re: I majored in raising more questions and doubting absolutes The_Last_Gunslinger - 08/12/2009 10:59:03 PM 851 Views
Not really Larry - 08/12/2009 11:19:46 PM 1198 Views
Fantasy has no easy definition. Werthead - 07/12/2009 02:46:33 AM 870 Views
That's true. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:50:37 AM 850 Views
But the Song of Soloman is certainly akin to that *NM* Larry - 07/12/2009 02:51:21 AM 288 Views
No, that's just porn. *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:52:24 AM 388 Views
If you redefine fatasy as fiction, the category loses its value Camilla - 06/12/2009 12:33:03 PM 851 Views
Remember what I studied for my grad degree Larry - 06/12/2009 04:10:08 PM 872 Views
Re: Remember what I studied for my grad degree Camilla - 06/12/2009 04:33:58 PM 897 Views
Really? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:22:21 PM 1002 Views
Re: Really? Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:49:36 PM 958 Views
Literature does not exist in a vacuum Larry - 06/12/2009 10:53:58 PM 647 Views
Obviously I know that Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:30:55 PM 818 Views
But it is a material artifact of a culture Larry - 07/12/2009 12:47:45 AM 724 Views
But that is not all it is. Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:16:32 AM 929 Views
Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:32:26 PM 838 Views
Re: Indeed. A lot of them are science fiction. Camilla - 06/12/2009 05:01:55 PM 741 Views
Several dozen contributed to the suggestion list Larry - 06/12/2009 09:23:21 PM 680 Views
I've read 34. Legolas - 06/12/2009 10:53:38 AM 712 Views
Well, when individual preferences affect listings, such things happen, I guess Larry - 06/12/2009 09:24:39 PM 718 Views
78 that I have finished, but that is really not the point. Camilla - 06/12/2009 11:55:16 AM 864 Views
Definitions of "fantasy" vary considerably Larry - 06/12/2009 09:25:35 PM 811 Views
According to the one you just applied, my master's thesis was one... Camilla - 06/12/2009 10:47:25 PM 723 Views
It's just a state of mind, I suppose Larry - 07/12/2009 12:50:22 AM 830 Views
Re: It's just a state of mind, I suppose Camilla - 07/12/2009 08:17:09 AM 856 Views
I've read 28. Linda - 06/12/2009 03:42:40 PM 926 Views
89... but in general, that is many by the same author. jh - 06/12/2009 06:17:06 PM 711 Views
46. This is an idiotic list. A Confederacy of Dunces just IS NOT fantasy. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 08:34:07 PM 938 Views
You say that, based on having read maybe 2% of the list? Larry - 06/12/2009 09:27:32 PM 645 Views
Jane Eyre? Napoleon62 - 07/12/2009 12:00:36 AM 791 Views
It plays upon the Gothic novel precepts Larry - 07/12/2009 12:51:31 AM 673 Views
Larry...come on...if it's Fantasy I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy Tom - 07/12/2009 04:17:38 AM 843 Views
Devise a better? Larry - 07/12/2009 04:34:46 AM 756 Views
It would be much shorter Tom - 07/12/2009 02:20:05 PM 1030 Views
It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Larry - 08/12/2009 11:26:35 PM 767 Views
Argh. Your quoting skills need work. *NM* Ghavrel - 09/12/2009 08:58:15 AM 396 Views
You seem to be misunderstanding Tom's post. Legolas - 09/12/2009 10:57:08 AM 776 Views
No,I was just just commenting on my likes/dislikes of that list Larry - 09/12/2009 01:21:45 PM 912 Views
I think you are misunderstanding again... jh - 09/12/2009 01:46:49 PM 887 Views
Yes. What Jonte said. *NM* Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:41:41 PM 423 Views
Oh,that Larry - 09/12/2009 06:07:11 PM 963 Views
Re: It should be shorter than some of the ones you listed Camilla - 21/12/2009 09:35:11 AM 1170 Views
I read it very recently. He masturbates to a dog. Fetishes != fantasy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 01:58:57 AM 693 Views
Like I said, it's been years for me Larry - 07/12/2009 02:30:58 AM 892 Views
No worries. That one just got me a little testy. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:48:01 AM 786 Views
96... but so many books are missing that i can think of... i mean, really! temeraire - 07/12/2009 02:07:18 AM 758 Views
It's an interesting experiment of a list, miki, and I think it's little more than that Larry - 07/12/2009 02:29:56 AM 682 Views
I've read about 90 of them ranagrande - 18/12/2009 03:37:49 PM 1095 Views
It would be a more interesting list if it contained more books that fantasy fans would want to read random thoughts - 30/12/2009 06:35:18 PM 908 Views
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