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I should have put "debate" in quotes. It's about four sentences long. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 08/04/2010 10:32:43 PM
My thought then is why are they irredeemable? Is it of their own choice? If yes, then that would qualify as the second category (refuses redemption). If no, they are irredeemable as influenced by an outside source/somthing not within their control then there is a difference.


Right. I think Voldemort falls into the second category. As, theologically, I think all the "damned" do.
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Harry Potter (the entire series) Jeordam - 06/04/2010 11:00:07 PM 1961 Views
Re: Harry Potter (the entire series) QueenOfAndor - 06/04/2010 11:29:49 PM 1237 Views
Really? Jeordam - 07/04/2010 05:41:46 PM 1294 Views
I honestly think it's a combination of the two beetnemesis - 07/04/2010 05:55:18 PM 1166 Views
I'll give you that.... Jeordam - 07/04/2010 06:11:27 PM 1217 Views
It does seem logical that the series gets more teenager-oriented as Harry grows older. Legolas - 07/04/2010 06:47:57 PM 1189 Views
Yeah, I believe she's explicitly said she did that on purpose beetnemesis - 10/04/2010 08:24:47 PM 1122 Views
Um...you forgot a book. aria - 06/04/2010 11:37:27 PM 1238 Views
My bad...much thanks for reminding me. Jeordam - 07/04/2010 05:43:53 PM 1195 Views
Re: Harry Potter (the entire series) DomA - 07/04/2010 12:26:22 AM 1543 Views
I get where you're coming from Jeordam - 07/04/2010 06:19:13 PM 1303 Views
That's kind of the point though... fionwe1987 - 07/04/2010 08:44:26 PM 1237 Views
This is how I see it too DomA - 08/04/2010 12:43:03 AM 1371 Views
just a comment about your rich=bad LadyLorraine - 08/04/2010 02:05:32 AM 1321 Views
Re: just a comment about your rich=bad DomA - 08/04/2010 05:58:13 PM 1320 Views
it was a bit black and white... LadyLorraine - 08/04/2010 08:48:05 PM 1132 Views
I agree with many of your points. Legolas - 07/04/2010 12:44:31 AM 1424 Views
I have to dispute the concept of going "too far." Ghavrel - 07/04/2010 06:32:47 AM 1182 Views
Hm, I don't know. Legolas - 07/04/2010 11:08:12 AM 1226 Views
This is a lot like the argument I'm having with Joel on the CMB concerning original sin. Ghavrel - 08/04/2010 07:21:39 AM 1140 Views
Where is this debate? I'd like to read it. Jeordam - 08/04/2010 05:18:38 PM 1814 Views
I should have put "debate" in quotes. It's about four sentences long. Ghavrel - 08/04/2010 10:32:43 PM 1142 Views
I agree entirely about Snape *NM* Camilla - 07/04/2010 11:50:00 AM 586 Views
More conversation on Snape. Jeordam - 07/04/2010 06:01:37 PM 1483 Views
His death wasn't very spectacular, but he did play an essential role... Legolas - 07/04/2010 06:45:58 PM 1342 Views
Brief comments on Magic, Dumbledore, and The Epilogue. Aemon - 07/04/2010 07:13:55 AM 1527 Views
Re: Brief comments on Magic, Dumbledore, and The Epilogue. Jeordam - 07/04/2010 06:09:20 PM 1345 Views
The movies are even worse about this. beetnemesis - 07/04/2010 06:15:35 PM 1218 Views
Hmmm.... Jeordam - 07/04/2010 06:21:40 PM 1207 Views
Oh, that's definitely why they did it beetnemesis - 09/04/2010 06:44:50 AM 1540 Views
how many high school relationships... LadyLorraine - 08/04/2010 02:13:48 AM 1213 Views
Death doesn't actually happen in slow-motion fit for the cinema screen. Ghavrel - 08/04/2010 07:24:31 AM 1191 Views
Re: Death doesn't actually happen in slow-motion fit for the cinema screen. Camilla - 08/04/2010 03:27:09 PM 1209 Views
Re: Brief comments on Magic, Dumbledore, and The Epilogue. Camilla - 08/04/2010 03:25:38 PM 1341 Views
Harry Potter and Star Wars have two radically different approaches to this beetnemesis - 07/04/2010 06:13:25 PM 1445 Views
When my son asked for his own set of Harry Potter books, Beqi - 07/04/2010 10:26:37 PM 1255 Views
This is assuming of course... Jeordam - 07/04/2010 11:00:15 PM 1296 Views
yes, that's where parenting gets "complicated" LadyLorraine - 08/04/2010 02:16:06 AM 1214 Views
You are taking this a bit extreme I feel. Beqi - 08/04/2010 08:51:34 AM 1162 Views
I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/04/2010 06:11:06 PM 529 Views
Re: This is assuming of course... Camilla - 08/04/2010 03:30:33 PM 1360 Views
I am the same way with a few books. Beqi - 08/04/2010 08:05:04 PM 1212 Views
I was most irritated by the ironic names Tom - 08/04/2010 05:38:59 AM 1310 Views
Re: I was most irritated by the ironic names TaskmasterJack - 08/04/2010 10:07:40 PM 1743 Views
Sheriff Lobo wasn't a werewolf, either, and Bear wasn't a bear. Tom - 09/04/2010 12:47:48 AM 1149 Views
Exactly - it's not as obvious if you're a kid, then it seems clever and it's fun to decode. Legolas - 09/04/2010 01:04:11 AM 1275 Views
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