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There are several points to the book/series Larry Send a noteboard - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
The book is about power and the limitations of power. An over riding theme in all of the books is that you have these incredible powerful people but they are for the most part helpless victims of circumstance and their own arrogance. Look at Paul and Leto II. Both were unimaginable powerful men who were trapped by their power.

Movements and ideas on the other hand are incredible powerful in Herbert’s books but they are destructive and uncontrollable. It is true that conflict between the groups is not well developed but that isn’t because the main conflict is with the planet it is because the main conflicts are internal conflicts and conflicts inside the Atreides household.

Finally a book isn’t flawed because it reflects the attitudes and beliefs of the times or the person who wrote it instead it is what makes them worth reading. You don’t have to agree with those ideas but seeing them isn’t a flaw.


Although perhaps "flaw" was a strong word to use (I was thinking in terms of a flaw/impediment to my full enjoyment), I would argue that Herbert had several points going at once. The power issues I will address more in the next two volumes, as I seem to recall them coming to a head there even more than it does in the first novel. I would also posit that environment (in the all-encompassing sense of the word) shapes the attitudes toward politics and religion that do dominate this novel and the following two. I'm not going to be covering every possibility exhaustively in these breezy reviews/commentaries. I am going to be raising points of consideration that are taken from the novels as I read them, in hopes that constructive comments such as yours can add to the discussion of the novel :D
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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