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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
It can not be an Ecological or Environmental book ass we define it today (preservation of, or return to a natural state), because the Freman are attempting to change the state of the planet into something else. Would you call a book titles "1,001 Ways To Polute" an Environmental book?

The Barron is a deviant because he deviates fromm what is the societal norm. By that definition, yes homosexuallity is deviant (though I personally don't have an issue withit as long as my preferences are respected as well). However, homosexuallity (actually it is bi-sexuallity with a homosexual prefernce) is the absolute least of his many deviant behaviors.

If you insist on focusing your attention upon your perceived themes of ecology and homophobia you will miss the entire point of the books. You are making up your own themes, ones the author did not intend to include, did not develop within the book, and usinng them to promote your own position. In my opinion you are performing theft. You are stealing the Authors Work, and perverting it. This is why I object to the entire "The Author is Dead" school that you jokingly refer to.

If you want to discuss Environmental issues, use an environmental book, and have fun. Do not take a book that delves into the impact of religion, economics, abuse of power and pervert it. There is plenty do discuss and explore within the Dune universe without your fabrications.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1942 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1056 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1247 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1176 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1175 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1227 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1035 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1064 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 931 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 905 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 896 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1030 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 960 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 941 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 980 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 926 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 956 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1055 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 916 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 921 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 810 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 962 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1037 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 933 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 935 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1418 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 461 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1118 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1072 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1140 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1326 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1080 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1270 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 957 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1524 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1322 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1275 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1202 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 958 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 404 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 409 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1177 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 909 Views
I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 855 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 859 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 780 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 900 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 785 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1013 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 978 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 957 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 863 Views
Re: Depends - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1127 Views
read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 852 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 808 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1079 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 820 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 896 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 857 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1199 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1008 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1049 Views

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