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Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra everynametaken Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM
I think it does a disservice to millions of students every year. College is a great way to expand your intellectual horizons. It's also a fantastic way to get exposed to other viewpoints. I think that, on balance, those are good things.

HOWEVER, we make it out to be obligatory, and it shouldn't be. It throws millions of people into debt when they could go to technical schools and get a practical education being, say, electricians, plumbers or auto mechanics. Here in New York, those people can make a LOT of money, and frankly, it makes more sense for a lot of people.

Instead, though, we pound into peoples' heads that they "have" to go to college. Like I said, if someone has the opportunity and inclination and doesn't mind the cost (one way or another), great. However, pressuring people who don't have either the opportunity or inclination to go is a terrible thing to do.

Once people get there, they have these silly ideas about the utility of totally worthless degrees in the humanities. [Anything] Studies is a great way to identify a worthless degree (unless you want to teach or know a specialized use for your degree, like working at a particular museum, etc.).


Yes, I started out my career as a mechanic and even though I wasn't a money-maker like some guys I don't think I ever made under 40k a year doing it. I know guys I went to school who are making close to 100k a year doing it, far more than many degrees will get their holders.

I moved form there to a desk job so I could go back to school and study what I found myself to be passionate about. I had a plan and knew I could do nothing with a bachelor's in psychology. I don't think most of the kids I was in classes with understood that a Masters or PhD is needed in that field. Thank God most of them will never go on to such work anyways, there are enough bad counselors out there already! :P

Still, I could take on the debt (about 50k now) because I 1) could afford to pay it back with the means I already have to make a living in the auto industry and 2) already have a plan to pay it back and pursue my masters. I knew very few kids in the psych department that could make either of those claims.

The debt is worth if it if the person has a plan in place. I don;t think most kids do but then again look at their parents; many of their parents are the ones who got crushed by this economic downturn because they spent too much, lived above their means, and didn't plan for down times. Like father, like son.
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
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One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read - 30/05/2010 03:17:03 PM 1248 Views
Added to which she sounds like a spoiled brat - 30/05/2010 03:46:06 PM 939 Views
I think she's still slightly below the national average. - 30/05/2010 04:26:16 PM 713 Views
I am uncertain if she is working full time. - 31/05/2010 12:57:29 AM 798 Views
Have to agree here ... - 30/05/2010 05:54:54 PM 714 Views
It's a column, not a real article... and it's more critical than you suggest. - 30/05/2010 04:02:26 PM 715 Views
No it isn't. - 30/05/2010 04:24:20 PM 746 Views
Re: No it isn't. - 30/05/2010 04:56:42 PM 720 Views
Šertam aštakun - 31/05/2010 04:14:28 AM 631 Views
I'm going to guess that wasn't very nice. - 31/05/2010 12:11:43 PM 707 Views
Subject was Akkadian, body was Sumerian. - 31/05/2010 02:27:24 PM 646 Views
Here's the saddest part ... - 30/05/2010 06:10:48 PM 792 Views
Very bad life planning, and sadly, it's not an isolated case. - 31/05/2010 04:01:46 AM 664 Views
"the best laid plans of mice and men" etc etc - 31/05/2010 05:56:22 PM 664 Views
strange that you should be surprised - 04/06/2010 06:06:19 PM 709 Views
i don't think she's saying it's someone else's fault - 30/05/2010 09:08:29 PM 693 Views
Re: One of the stupidest New York Times articles I've ever read - 30/05/2010 11:36:40 PM 700 Views
Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra - 31/05/2010 04:07:34 AM 677 Views
Re: Don't get me started on the "everyone should go to college" mantra - 31/05/2010 04:23:54 AM 670 Views
100% in your camp here. - 31/05/2010 04:35:45 AM 624 Views
I don't see the point in a humanities major if you aren't planning to get more than a bachelor's. - 31/05/2010 07:41:40 AM 827 Views
srsly. way to devalue a bachelor's degree, american society 9_9 - 31/05/2010 08:07:47 AM 625 Views
I have a BA in English Literature. - 31/05/2010 11:20:28 AM 749 Views
that's fair enough, since that's why you took it - 31/05/2010 10:20:36 PM 705 Views
Heh. - 01/06/2010 09:30:53 AM 667 Views
I think you mean "the government acts all brokenhearted about the amount of student debt." *NM* - 01/06/2010 09:38:38 AM 392 Views
Heh. True fact. *NM* - 01/06/2010 09:56:09 AM 264 Views
That's kind of a weak reason, though. - 31/05/2010 11:11:49 PM 657 Views
I'm pretty sure I didn't use that as my reason... - 31/05/2010 11:15:32 PM 678 Views
That's true, although I don't know how many jobs that's useful for. - 01/06/2010 01:20:29 AM 648 Views
That's fine. And I didn't go to Uni to get a job. I went for the education. - 01/06/2010 09:29:28 AM 831 Views
I want to make clear that I, as a humanities major, really do like the humanities. - 01/06/2010 09:37:39 AM 823 Views
I know. - 01/06/2010 09:55:41 AM 745 Views
If we're going down that path, though... - 31/05/2010 12:17:49 PM 786 Views
the bachelor requirement for professional programs... - 31/05/2010 10:22:27 PM 715 Views
Education is a form of signaling - 31/05/2010 11:02:36 PM 702 Views
I do. *NM* - 31/05/2010 11:08:27 PM 264 Views
Some of us had the best intentions and then sabotaged them - 02/06/2010 04:39:33 PM 737 Views
there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame - 31/05/2010 01:58:39 AM 640 Views
Re: there is one more group that needs to take some of the blame - 31/05/2010 02:39:14 AM 693 Views
Forget morale, the entire concept is immoral. - 31/05/2010 02:52:08 AM 674 Views
Nonsense. - 31/05/2010 03:01:32 AM 697 Views
that's not what you're talking about though. - 31/05/2010 04:40:45 AM 709 Views
No, that's called paying taxes. - 31/05/2010 07:00:21 PM 681 Views
That would be a less repulsive idea if it wasn't so very sexist. - 31/05/2010 12:19:54 PM 707 Views
Heh, had the same thought. - 31/05/2010 12:47:16 PM 600 Views
We can put a man on the moon but looking at job number is too complicated? - 31/05/2010 04:03:38 PM 788 Views
yeah, i probably would've rethought that physics degree if there were such a program in place - 31/05/2010 03:27:14 AM 620 Views
physics BS is useless even I know that. - 31/05/2010 04:43:36 AM 596 Views
We hire people with physics degrees all the time - 31/05/2010 03:41:12 PM 599 Views
believe me, i tried - 31/05/2010 05:59:09 PM 643 Views
Physics degrees have a variety of applications. - 31/05/2010 07:02:57 PM 643 Views
Re: Physics degrees have a variety of applications. - 31/05/2010 07:59:22 PM 870 Views
you are near Denver right? - 02/06/2010 09:33:06 PM 657 Views
at the time i was in wisconsin, never lived in denver before - 03/06/2010 02:01:23 AM 652 Views
lots of high tech jobs in Texas - 04/06/2010 06:29:39 PM 636 Views
i had a tech job in texas, still no physics jobs though - 04/06/2010 07:10:29 PM 631 Views
ugh. stupid twat. - 31/05/2010 02:21:27 AM 693 Views
See, you have a plan. - 31/05/2010 04:08:24 AM 620 Views
yah. she's a stupid twat. and as you've pointed out, not the only one. - 31/05/2010 04:42:20 AM 653 Views
so stupid *NM* - 31/05/2010 02:35:19 AM 239 Views
What a useless leech. - 31/05/2010 02:53:24 AM 656 Views
She works for a photographer. - 31/05/2010 03:03:44 AM 673 Views
Women's Studies empowered her to make a victim out of herself. - 31/05/2010 05:00:38 AM 686 Views
It's not just the women - 31/05/2010 02:29:34 PM 651 Views
There used to be this thing called responsibility... - 31/05/2010 04:58:21 PM 682 Views
Re: There used to be this thing called responsibility... - 31/05/2010 07:50:17 PM 814 Views

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