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Punishment for what? Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM
...is that these children should be forced to wear shirts that say "Christianity is of the Devil" on them. If they're such proponents for free speech, they should have no issue with this.


No law was broken. The only legal issue isn't about whether or not the people or their kids were in the wrong, it's whether the school had the right to ban the shirts, which they typically do, but usually this is cited under a 'no messages' rule. i.e. as far as the law is concerned wearing a John Edwards for Pres t-shirt, a islam is bad t-shirt, and a save the whales t-shirt are exactly the same, you ban all or you ban none. Your suggestion would be akin to making someone who wore a t-shirt saying 'We only have one planet' wear a t-shirts saying 'Torch the rain forests'.

Let's keep in mind that the first amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, popular speech has never needed protection, no one ever gets dragged away by secret police in the middle of the night for saying how much they like their dictator.

I think these parents are ignorant bigots, but my opinion, and yours, mean nadda. The t-shirts are totally legal, but schools can ban things as disruptive and for pretty much the same reason they can ban students from having cellphones. When they do they leave themselves open to legal action if they can be shown to have ignored equivalent offenses after being alerted to them. The shirt is simply no different than one saying 'Jesus saves' or 'Allah ackbar", neither of which I find offensive, since I consider them true statements, but morally and legally no different than ones which say 'Jesus doesn't save' or "God isn't great" Now, I wouldn't consider a parent bigoted, wicked or ignorant for letting their kid wear a shirt which said 'Jesus saves' to school, so where's the difference? The school has a right to ban things as distracting or disruptive, to do so they need only show reasonable evidence that something is either and enforce it with some degree of even-handedness.
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Islam is of the Devil - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1798 Views
I swear, the levels of crazy are just increasing these days. - 06/09/2009 06:04:19 AM 1106 Views
People are stupid. - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1215 Views
This statement got me: - 06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM 1476 Views
Re: This statement got me: - 06/09/2009 07:20:17 AM 1070 Views
What you say about those places may be true - 06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM 1070 Views
Regardless... - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 1009 Views
Re: Regardless... - 07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM 1123 Views
I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 1140 Views
Re: I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. - 08/09/2009 10:15:55 PM 1135 Views
Okay... - 09/09/2009 04:04:29 PM 1042 Views
You are free to wear offensive clothing - 08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM 1108 Views
There is a difference between hatred and truth. - 09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM 1030 Views
You do know christans have done that as well don't you? - 09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM 1092 Views
The difference is... - 09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM 1008 Views
really have you actaully read the Qur'an - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 1074 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 1075 Views
Acrually No I don't. - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 949 Views
Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void - 09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM 1083 Views
Jesus was the one who voided it. - 10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM 1084 Views
so he was lying when he said he didn't? - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 1147 Views
Christ never said that. - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 1048 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 1130 Views
+1 *NM* - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 511 Views
+2 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 478 Views
+3 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 496 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 516 Views
Because I can. - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 1126 Views
So can he. - 07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM 1021 Views
Yes - 08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM 1109 Views
It means a lot in context to the situation - 08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM 1140 Views
No, it does not. - 08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM 1114 Views
So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 1121 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 1067 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 1128 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. - 09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM 1187 Views
Define "disruptive". - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 1059 Views
No. *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 554 Views
Well said *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 499 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 1052 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 490 Views
you are making no sense - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 1124 Views
Quite a bit. - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 1094 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 567 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 408 Views
The thing I think you are missing... - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 1161 Views
Wait, what? - 06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM 1140 Views
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Yeah, what you said! - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1186 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 477 Views
Wrong. - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 1121 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 684 Views
Because in America - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1182 Views
Re: Because in America - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 1019 Views
And... - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 1030 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 383 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 1106 Views
Go, Tash, go! - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 1061 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 1049 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 459 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 474 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 529 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 1017 Views
Why on earth should it? - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 1120 Views
Because... - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 1125 Views
Re: Because... - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1384 Views
Really? - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 1002 Views
Re: Really? - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 1057 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 991 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 1016 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 1127 Views
Failed edit. *NM* - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 501 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 505 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 1105 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1241 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 1114 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 1081 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 1068 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 1161 Views
Well said *NM* - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 521 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1201 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 1097 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 575 Views
The appropriate punishment... - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 1101 Views
Punishment for what? - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 1106 Views
When did I say anything about a law? - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 1081 Views
That's the key point so many forget: - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 945 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 1139 Views
No, that's pretty much it. - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1179 Views
You're right. - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1288 Views
If I understand you - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 1095 Views
Yes, that was it - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1254 Views

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