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What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM
This is not a difficult concept; why are you having so much trouble grasping it?

Look, I'll put it in a list.

1. Tim lives in a place with virtually no public transit.
2. Tim cannot afford a car.
3. The options of transportation are driving, public transit, walking, and bicycling.
4. Walking is unfeasible.
5. Therefore, Tim has to use a bicycle for transport.

I fully intend before the end of this thread to get it into your head that not every place in the world functions like an urbanized American area.

By the way, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are "missing the point." Your point may well just be stupid.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1846 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1474 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 626 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 651 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 725 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 614 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1285 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1246 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 712 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1626 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1138 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 649 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 643 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1378 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 682 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1249 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1276 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1371 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1337 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1318 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1283 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1385 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1267 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1379 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1352 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1199 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1352 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1155 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1381 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 1159 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1343 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1407 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1168 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1172 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1303 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1288 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1386 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1362 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 650 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1321 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1313 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1323 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 690 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1345 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1399 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1484 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1332 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1260 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1347 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1287 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1352 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1416 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1246 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 1086 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1310 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 709 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1299 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 714 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 794 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1318 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1320 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1326 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1405 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1183 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 655 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1226 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1393 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1172 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1227 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1431 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1437 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1297 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1469 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1218 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 1193 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1119 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 606 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 562 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1311 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 1176 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 718 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1189 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1308 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1229 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1188 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1172 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 1091 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1156 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1193 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1130 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1257 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 689 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 1171 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1321 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1267 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1256 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 1106 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1175 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1170 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 667 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1351 Views
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