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Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere Send a noteboard - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM
For one, I don't think wearing a shirt that says "Islam is of the Devil" is wrong or hurtful. From my perspective, it's correct and informative. If Muslims are offended, they should probably lobby their governments to actually step in and stop the killing of Christians, because then I would ahve no reason to wear the shirt.

I am not even catholic but I would find a shirt saying something about priests molesting children as offensive and wrong. I just can't justify tarring and feathering a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Most priests are good men that have dedicated their lives to serving God and their fellow men. Should the whole church be judged because of the actions of a minority?

The argument that you just made about the "Islam is of the Devil" shirt not being wrong or hurtful but rather correct and informative could easily be made to defend people that wanted to wear anti-catholic shirts. They could say something very similar to what you said to defend their actions. Would that be right? Would it be fair?

I don't buy the argument. Judging and condemning a whole group based on the actions of a minority just doesn't seem right to me. Does it seem right to you? Doesn't seeing it from their perspective make you reconsider your position just a little?

I am not trying to get into an ugly argument or make fun of you. I don't roll like that. (Well not usually. :P) I just would like to present a things from a different view point so that you can see what other people are talking about. I am just searching for the right way to present it.
This message last edited by Tashmere on 09/09/2009 at 02:30:43 AM
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Islam is of the Devil Aisha - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1608 Views
I swear, the levels of crazy are just increasing these days. Craig - 06/09/2009 06:04:19 AM 900 Views
People are stupid. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1049 Views
This statement got me: Dragonsoul - 06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM 1240 Views
Re: This statement got me: Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:20:17 AM 889 Views
What you say about those places may be true random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM 903 Views
Regardless... Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 847 Views
Re: Regardless... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM 959 Views
I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 976 Views
Re: I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:15:55 PM 950 Views
Okay... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:29 PM 881 Views
You are free to wear offensive clothing random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM 933 Views
There is a difference between hatred and truth. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM 869 Views
You do know christans have done that as well don't you? random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM 940 Views
The difference is... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM 842 Views
really have you actaully read the Qur'an random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 916 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. nossy - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 907 Views
Acrually No I don't. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 786 Views
Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void random thoughts - 09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM 924 Views
Jesus was the one who voided it. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM 921 Views
so he was lying when he said he didn't? random thoughts - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 980 Views
Christ never said that. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 890 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 942 Views
+1 *NM* The Shrike - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 426 Views
+2 *NM* Dannymac - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 393 Views
+3 *NM* Craig - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 412 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* Joker - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 438 Views
Because I can. snoopcester - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 955 Views
So can he. Joker - 07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM 861 Views
Yes nossy - 08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM 892 Views
It means a lot in context to the situation Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM 986 Views
No, it does not. nossy - 08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM 922 Views
So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 956 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 902 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 979 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM 1029 Views
Define "disruptive". Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 904 Views
No. *NM* nossy - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 440 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 410 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. nossy - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 870 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 409 Views
you are making no sense snoopcester - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 946 Views
Quite a bit. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 917 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* krassos - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 482 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 321 Views
The thing I think you are missing... Antigone - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 1001 Views
Wait, what? Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM 953 Views
I... kinda have to agree with Ghav, there. Craig - 06/09/2009 10:39:28 PM 952 Views
Yeah, what you said! Antigone - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1022 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 399 Views
Wrong. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 925 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 608 Views
Because in America Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1014 Views
Re: Because in America Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 856 Views
And... Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 873 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* everynametaken - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 302 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 935 Views
Go, Tash, go! Craig - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 892 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 894 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* Legolas - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 377 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 386 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 440 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 850 Views
Why on earth should it? Legolas - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 869 Views
Because... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 953 Views
Re: Because... Legolas - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1132 Views
Really? Craig - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 835 Views
Re: Really? everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 889 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 788 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. Craig - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 841 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 968 Views
Failed edit. *NM* Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 419 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 421 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note LadyLorraine - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 933 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1070 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 916 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there Isaac - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 919 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... everynametaken - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 909 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? Joel - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 982 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 419 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1042 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 934 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 484 Views
The appropriate punishment... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 935 Views
Punishment for what? Isaac - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 944 Views
When did I say anything about a law? Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 906 Views
Since were talking about the law, not your opinion of right an wrong, it's sort of a default Isaac - 09/09/2009 05:01:08 PM 871 Views
Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM 991 Views
Morse isn't a bad example Isaac - 10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM 923 Views
Fair enough. I'm just a little overzealous with what I see as infringements on civil liberties. Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 01:14:48 AM 1183 Views
That's the key point so many forget: Joel - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 783 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with Isaac - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 923 Views
No, that's pretty much it. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1016 Views
You're right. Joel - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1097 Views
If I understand you nossy - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 938 Views
Yes, that was it Isaac - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1074 Views
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