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Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere Send a noteboard - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM
For one, I don't think wearing a shirt that says "Islam is of the Devil" is wrong or hurtful. From my perspective, it's correct and informative. If Muslims are offended, they should probably lobby their governments to actually step in and stop the killing of Christians, because then I would ahve no reason to wear the shirt.

I am not even catholic but I would find a shirt saying something about priests molesting children as offensive and wrong. I just can't justify tarring and feathering a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Most priests are good men that have dedicated their lives to serving God and their fellow men. Should the whole church be judged because of the actions of a minority?

The argument that you just made about the "Islam is of the Devil" shirt not being wrong or hurtful but rather correct and informative could easily be made to defend people that wanted to wear anti-catholic shirts. They could say something very similar to what you said to defend their actions. Would that be right? Would it be fair?

I don't buy the argument. Judging and condemning a whole group based on the actions of a minority just doesn't seem right to me. Does it seem right to you? Doesn't seeing it from their perspective make you reconsider your position just a little?

I am not trying to get into an ugly argument or make fun of you. I don't roll like that. (Well not usually. :P) I just would like to present a things from a different view point so that you can see what other people are talking about. I am just searching for the right way to present it.
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Islam is of the Devil Aisha - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1699 Views
I swear, the levels of crazy are just increasing these days. Craig - 06/09/2009 06:04:19 AM 969 Views
People are stupid. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1122 Views
This statement got me: Dragonsoul - 06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM 1358 Views
Re: This statement got me: Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:20:17 AM 957 Views
What you say about those places may be true random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM 963 Views
Regardless... Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 913 Views
Re: Regardless... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM 1023 Views
I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 1040 Views
Re: I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:15:55 PM 1017 Views
Okay... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:29 PM 941 Views
You are free to wear offensive clothing random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM 1001 Views
There is a difference between hatred and truth. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM 933 Views
You do know christans have done that as well don't you? random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM 1003 Views
The difference is... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM 908 Views
really have you actaully read the Qur'an random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 982 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. nossy - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 974 Views
Acrually No I don't. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 850 Views
Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void random thoughts - 09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM 983 Views
Jesus was the one who voided it. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM 990 Views
so he was lying when he said he didn't? random thoughts - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 1052 Views
Christ never said that. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 955 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 1000 Views
+1 *NM* The Shrike - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 453 Views
+2 *NM* Dannymac - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 425 Views
+3 *NM* Craig - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 438 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* Joker - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 467 Views
Because I can. snoopcester - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 1023 Views
So can he. Joker - 07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM 922 Views
Yes nossy - 08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM 975 Views
It means a lot in context to the situation Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM 1049 Views
No, it does not. nossy - 08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM 1012 Views
So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 1023 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 971 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 1039 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM 1088 Views
Define "disruptive". Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 969 Views
No. *NM* nossy - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 472 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 443 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. nossy - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 933 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 438 Views
you are making no sense snoopcester - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 1015 Views
Quite a bit. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 980 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* krassos - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 510 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 352 Views
The thing I think you are missing... Antigone - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 1061 Views
Wait, what? Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM 1034 Views
I... kinda have to agree with Ghav, there. Craig - 06/09/2009 10:39:28 PM 1014 Views
Yeah, what you said! Antigone - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1092 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 427 Views
Wrong. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 1006 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 636 Views
Because in America Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1080 Views
Re: Because in America Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 927 Views
And... Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 931 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* everynametaken - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 333 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 997 Views
Go, Tash, go! Craig - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 959 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 959 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* Legolas - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 405 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 416 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 475 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 911 Views
Why on earth should it? Legolas - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 967 Views
Because... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 1024 Views
Re: Because... Legolas - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1209 Views
Really? Craig - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 901 Views
Re: Really? everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 961 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 862 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. Craig - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 920 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 1028 Views
Failed edit. *NM* Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 447 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 450 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note LadyLorraine - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 1005 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1144 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 975 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there Isaac - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 980 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... everynametaken - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 972 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? Joel - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 1046 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 449 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1100 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 993 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 525 Views
The appropriate punishment... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 997 Views
Punishment for what? Isaac - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 1012 Views
When did I say anything about a law? Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 976 Views
Since were talking about the law, not your opinion of right an wrong, it's sort of a default Isaac - 09/09/2009 05:01:08 PM 951 Views
Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM 1052 Views
Morse isn't a bad example Isaac - 10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM 1030 Views
Fair enough. I'm just a little overzealous with what I see as infringements on civil liberties. Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 01:14:48 AM 1255 Views
That's the key point so many forget: Joel - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 852 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with Isaac - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 1028 Views
No, that's pretty much it. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1080 Views
You're right. Joel - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1159 Views
If I understand you nossy - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 998 Views
Yes, that was it Isaac - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1158 Views
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