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Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM
Actually that is not how it is. Public schools do not get to make up rules about what people can or can't wear. The supreme court has ruled on this repeatedly. Neither public instituions or even private franchise have the right to ban things without question, many a lawsuit - quite a few of which have been successful - have challenged these sorts of things. Schools can limit certain rights in the name of security, disruption, etc. This isn't carte blanche, there are some pretty solid guidelines about it. It as to be reasonable and even-handed, or close to it, or the ACLU wil show up.


The Supreme Court has become increasingly permissive of stupid rules. Remember Morse v. Frederick (BONG HITS 4 JESUS)? Granted, that was drug-related, but it was still ridiculously stupid, especially since it wasn't on school property. And Bethel School District v. Fraser let schools ban sexual innuendo.

I'd love to think that the Tinker precedent still holds, but I really don't think it does any more.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Islam is of the Devil Aisha - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1665 Views
I swear, the levels of crazy are just increasing these days. Craig - 06/09/2009 06:04:19 AM 939 Views
People are stupid. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1090 Views
This statement got me: Dragonsoul - 06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM 1310 Views
Re: This statement got me: Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:20:17 AM 926 Views
What you say about those places may be true random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM 941 Views
Regardless... Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 887 Views
Re: Regardless... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM 996 Views
I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 1021 Views
Re: I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:15:55 PM 990 Views
Okay... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:29 PM 922 Views
You are free to wear offensive clothing random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM 973 Views
There is a difference between hatred and truth. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM 908 Views
You do know christans have done that as well don't you? random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM 981 Views
The difference is... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM 880 Views
really have you actaully read the Qur'an random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 957 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. nossy - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 951 Views
Acrually No I don't. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 829 Views
Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void random thoughts - 09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM 965 Views
Jesus was the one who voided it. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM 964 Views
so he was lying when he said he didn't? random thoughts - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 1017 Views
Christ never said that. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 930 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 979 Views
+1 *NM* The Shrike - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 442 Views
+2 *NM* Dannymac - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 412 Views
+3 *NM* Craig - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 428 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* Joker - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 456 Views
Because I can. snoopcester - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 995 Views
So can he. Joker - 07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM 899 Views
Yes nossy - 08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM 945 Views
It means a lot in context to the situation Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM 1025 Views
No, it does not. nossy - 08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM 988 Views
So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 997 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 946 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 1017 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM 1068 Views
Define "disruptive". Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 946 Views
No. *NM* nossy - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 460 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 431 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. nossy - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 910 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 430 Views
you are making no sense snoopcester - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 987 Views
Quite a bit. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 958 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* krassos - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 500 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 340 Views
The thing I think you are missing... Antigone - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 1037 Views
Wait, what? Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM 1013 Views
I... kinda have to agree with Ghav, there. Craig - 06/09/2009 10:39:28 PM 991 Views
Yeah, what you said! Antigone - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1064 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 418 Views
Wrong. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 968 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 625 Views
Because in America Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1055 Views
Re: Because in America Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 895 Views
And... Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 908 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* everynametaken - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 320 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 977 Views
Go, Tash, go! Craig - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 932 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 934 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* Legolas - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 396 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 405 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 462 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 889 Views
Why on earth should it? Legolas - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 943 Views
Because... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 995 Views
Re: Because... Legolas - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1177 Views
Really? Craig - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 874 Views
Re: Really? everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 932 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 829 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. Craig - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 880 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 1006 Views
Failed edit. *NM* Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 437 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 439 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note LadyLorraine - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 973 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1108 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 952 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there Isaac - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 954 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... everynametaken - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 948 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? Joel - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 1019 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 436 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1080 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 975 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 510 Views
The appropriate punishment... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 973 Views
Punishment for what? Isaac - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 981 Views
When did I say anything about a law? Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 946 Views
Since were talking about the law, not your opinion of right an wrong, it's sort of a default Isaac - 09/09/2009 05:01:08 PM 917 Views
Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM 1028 Views
Morse isn't a bad example Isaac - 10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM 1003 Views
Fair enough. I'm just a little overzealous with what I see as infringements on civil liberties. Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 01:14:48 AM 1228 Views
That's the key point so many forget: Joel - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 820 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with Isaac - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 1006 Views
No, that's pretty much it. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1059 Views
You're right. Joel - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1134 Views
If I understand you nossy - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 976 Views
Yes, that was it Isaac - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1136 Views
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