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wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM
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The war against the terrorists is not a war against Islam. In fact, you can’t have an effective war against the terrorists if it is a war on Islam.

George W. Bush understood this. And it is odd to see Barack Obama less clear about this matter than his predecessor. It’s time for W. to weigh in.

The man who extended his hand to Tehran has withdrawn his hand from Park Place.

Have any of the screaming critics noticed that there already are two mosques in the same neighborhood — one four blocks away and one 12 blocks away.

The progressive Democrat in the White House, the first president of the United States with Muslim roots, has been morally trumped by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, two moderate Republicans who have spoken bravely and lucidly about not demonizing and defaming an entire religion in the name of fighting its radicals.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1471 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 880 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 742 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1003 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 736 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 797 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 724 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 478 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 881 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 566 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 454 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 819 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 836 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 686 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 979 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 816 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 983 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 708 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 995 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 857 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 739 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 792 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1122 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 769 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 774 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 486 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 765 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 934 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 392 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 747 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 992 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 876 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 943 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1117 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 966 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 813 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 722 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 856 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 703 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 951 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 957 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 727 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 349 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1008 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1026 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 983 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 389 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 720 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 921 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1012 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 842 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 829 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 890 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 758 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 908 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 779 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 418 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 844 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 879 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 899 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 816 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 717 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1114 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 492 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 739 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 852 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1279 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 935 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 473 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 852 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1033 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 442 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 949 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 894 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 870 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 878 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 852 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 684 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 862 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 832 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 637 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 953 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 858 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1154 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1050 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1277 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1346 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 796 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 857 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 751 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 894 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 543 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1064 Views
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