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He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM
I think a big part of the problem is he jumped in and commented on one part of the issue but is refusing to comment on the other. If he is not willing to give his opinion on the wisdom of building a mosque there he should have stayed of it all together since that is the key issue to a lot of people. Most Americans agree that we have to let them build the mosque there but most don’t like the idea.

At least with Bush and Clinton you knew where they stood. Obama seems to want to hedge and nuance any position he feels vulnerable on. It is hard to convince people you will stand by your convictions if don't first convince them you possess
those convictions.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1505 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 906 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 769 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1035 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 789 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 822 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 749 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 490 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 905 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 579 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 477 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 845 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 864 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 709 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1002 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 864 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1012 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 736 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1020 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 884 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 767 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 816 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1149 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 794 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 799 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 496 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 798 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 958 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 400 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 776 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1019 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 905 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 974 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1148 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 992 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 839 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 753 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 883 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 729 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 976 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 998 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 757 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 364 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1047 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1056 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1010 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 400 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 752 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 947 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1035 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 867 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 854 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 929 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 781 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 933 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 805 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 427 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 869 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 916 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 924 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 846 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 742 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1142 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 504 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 765 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 880 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1305 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 962 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 489 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 877 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1058 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 454 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 978 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 920 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 895 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 905 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 879 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 713 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 888 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 889 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 667 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 983 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 912 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1179 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1077 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1305 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1371 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 822 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 881 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 778 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 922 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 554 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1116 Views
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