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Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel Send a noteboard - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1562 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 953 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 818 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1090 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 851 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 882 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 794 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 514 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 957 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 601 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 503 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 916 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 924 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 766 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1068 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 916 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1064 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 791 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1067 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 929 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 825 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 870 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1203 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 841 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 853 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 517 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 883 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 1023 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 422 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 839 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1067 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 962 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 1032 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1210 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 1052 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 885 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 804 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 934 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 781 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 1025 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1046 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 804 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 389 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1108 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1120 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1061 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 422 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 802 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 994 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1086 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 959 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 902 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 977 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 833 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 984 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 852 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 450 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 917 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 982 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 970 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 909 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 789 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1193 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 524 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 810 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 929 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1370 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 1015 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 515 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 928 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1111 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 481 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 1026 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 974 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 942 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 960 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 934 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 762 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 937 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 949 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 691 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 1032 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 960 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1225 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1134 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1377 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1415 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 870 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 947 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 844 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 996 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 576 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1176 Views
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