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Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM
a very large number of people in this world are not fair minded and would give Obama the benefit of the doubt; either out of:
1) genuine different political opinions
2) genuine hatred
3) genuine misunderstanding of Obama in general

In that understanding it is very much up to Obama to couch his language on the lowest common denominator and make sure he is crystal clear.

So he wasn't crystal clear there are two possible explanations:
1) He messed up (this is possible but I find unlikely)
2) He was purposefully two faced (for political reasons which are now biting him in the ass for he messed up).
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1485 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 895 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 759 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1025 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 777 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 813 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 739 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 485 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 895 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 574 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 461 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 836 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 855 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 699 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 992 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 829 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1001 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 726 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1010 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 873 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 755 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 808 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1136 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 782 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 788 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 490 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 785 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 948 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 396 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 767 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1005 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 893 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 962 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1134 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 982 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 827 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 741 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 870 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 717 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 966 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 987 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 745 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 355 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1026 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1046 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 999 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 395 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 741 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 936 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1027 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 858 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 844 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 917 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 772 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 922 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 794 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 422 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 858 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 895 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 912 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 835 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 732 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1131 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 498 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 752 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 870 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1293 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 952 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 478 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 868 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1047 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 448 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 965 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 909 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 884 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 894 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 867 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 699 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 876 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 873 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 662 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 973 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 904 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1168 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1065 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1295 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1359 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 812 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 872 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 767 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 911 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 549 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1089 Views
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