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I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM
He stressed his understanding for the people who have a problem with this mosque, yes. But by your own reasoning in the paragraph below, that doesn't mean he was choosing their side. He has a long habit of expressing understanding for those who have a different viewpoint from his own, after all. And I just don't see anything in there, neither in tone nor in the words, that expresses actual agreement with that view.

Of course, it's possible he did agree with that view, and that he just didn't want to come out and say that. But then Roland's point still stands - that he did come out and said it the next day to a different audience, thus giving the impression of prevarication and backtracking he gave. One can see why he didn't want to take a stance against the mosque at the yearly iftar - talk about awkward - but by doing it the next day instead, he only made it more awkward because of that impression of either two-facedness or caving in to the criticisms he'd gotten.
As for me, it was clear from the start. I just think that other people are too intent on reading something else into it or not understanding the issue he was addressing.

You may be overestimating your own objectivity in interpreting it that way, then.
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She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 893 Views
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That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 811 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 737 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 485 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 893 Views
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Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 461 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 834 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 853 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 697 Views
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He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 828 Views
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I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 724 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1009 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 871 Views
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Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 806 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1134 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 781 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 786 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 490 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 783 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 946 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 396 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 765 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1004 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 892 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 960 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1132 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 980 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 825 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 740 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 868 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 716 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 965 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 985 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 743 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 355 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1025 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1043 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 997 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 395 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 739 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 935 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1025 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 856 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 843 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 915 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 770 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 920 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 793 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 422 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 857 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 894 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 911 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 833 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 730 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1129 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 498 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 750 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 868 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1291 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 951 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 478 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 866 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1046 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 448 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 963 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 908 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 882 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 892 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 867 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 698 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 874 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 871 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 662 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 971 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 902 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1167 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1064 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1294 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1358 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 810 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 870 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 766 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 910 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 549 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1088 Views
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