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I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM
He stressed his understanding for the people who have a problem with this mosque, yes. But by your own reasoning in the paragraph below, that doesn't mean he was choosing their side. He has a long habit of expressing understanding for those who have a different viewpoint from his own, after all. And I just don't see anything in there, neither in tone nor in the words, that expresses actual agreement with that view.

Of course, it's possible he did agree with that view, and that he just didn't want to come out and say that. But then Roland's point still stands - that he did come out and said it the next day to a different audience, thus giving the impression of prevarication and backtracking he gave. One can see why he didn't want to take a stance against the mosque at the yearly iftar - talk about awkward - but by doing it the next day instead, he only made it more awkward because of that impression of either two-facedness or caving in to the criticisms he'd gotten.
As for me, it was clear from the start. I just think that other people are too intent on reading something else into it or not understanding the issue he was addressing.

You may be overestimating your own objectivity in interpreting it that way, then.
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That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 831 Views
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Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 492 Views
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Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 480 Views
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I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 743 Views
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"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 799 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 805 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 498 Views
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When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 403 Views
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In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 912 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 979 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1159 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 998 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 843 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 759 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 888 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 735 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 982 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1005 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 762 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 369 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1056 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1076 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1018 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 404 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 758 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 953 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1043 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 875 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 860 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 938 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 789 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 938 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 811 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 429 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 877 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 935 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 932 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 862 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 748 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1148 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 506 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 770 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 888 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1312 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 969 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 492 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 883 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1062 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 456 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 982 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 924 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 903 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 913 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 885 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 717 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 896 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 900 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 670 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 990 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 918 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1184 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1083 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1311 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1377 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 827 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 889 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 785 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 930 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 556 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1130 Views
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