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Your assumption... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM
Assuming for a minute that all of Christian theology is true, God is essentially the sort of "ruler" (so to speak) who says "WORSHIP ME OR I SMITE YOU WITH FIRE AND PAIN AND RAAAGH"

Honestly, I'm not sure I want to follow a being like that. They don't sound very loving and I probably wouldn't enjoy a heaven decided by such an entity.


presumes that there's a third option. I totally hate to be the black cloud on the horizon...but this is reality. You will face this reality someday.

You are characterizing it as "worship me or I will smite you". Its not like that at all. You are envisoning a carrot or stick situation...when its nothing like that at all. Think of it more as a person who gave everything for you, loved you to the extent that He died for you, and wants to spend forever with you...all you have to say is that you love him back. Instead, you look him right in the eye, say that his sacrifice is meaningless, that you don't love him, and you walk away.

Its not God smiting you....its you smiting yourself. God's not holding a gun to your head and saying "love me or I pull the trigger". Instead, you are holding the gun to your own head, and God is saying "Please don't...I made a way for us to be together."

~Jeordam
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Preaching the Word: You're doing it wrong. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 08:22:14 AM 1554 Views
Danny if you were my preacher... LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 12:42:59 PM 993 Views
Lots of good stuff Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 12:43:57 PM 976 Views
True enough. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:29:23 PM 1083 Views
Maybe it's just where you're coming from... Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 06:34:09 PM 926 Views
I like it SilverWarder - 31/08/2010 02:48:31 PM 762 Views
I really <3 you. @my - 31/08/2010 03:09:39 PM 954 Views
How much of that is your words? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 03:16:51 PM 1065 Views
he is a preacher LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 03:19:44 PM 1049 Views
Most of it. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:26:24 PM 899 Views
Well done. *NM* Missa Sedai - 31/08/2010 04:46:54 PM 575 Views
I find myself disgusted that... globug0822 - 31/08/2010 05:12:06 PM 996 Views
he's a peachy preacher? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 05:27:08 PM 992 Views
LOL globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:31:45 PM 915 Views
Is my church the exception? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 05:33:36 PM 973 Views
Believe it or not... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 06:58:56 PM 934 Views
I'm not so full of myself.... Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:14:29 PM 1044 Views
I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 07:18:19 PM 861 Views
A little fire & brimstone for thy stomach's sake? Jeordam - 31/08/2010 07:29:20 PM 884 Views
passionate preachers make me uneasy. LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:38:05 PM 780 Views
Passion doesn't need to be... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:50:22 PM 1047 Views
Why do you take what he says so personally? Francie - 01/09/2010 08:51:06 PM 1025 Views
I'm not taking anything personally.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:20:55 PM 1402 Views
good question,why would they? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:32:25 PM 979 Views
Your assumption... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM 1122 Views
Look him in the eye? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:59:02 PM 891 Views
Ok... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 10:34:56 PM 1014 Views
so you would not say a murderer would go to heaven? LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:21:10 AM 963 Views
Forgiveness and repentance are humanity's most noble qualities. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:48:02 AM 891 Views
Isn't love your big thing? Jeordam - 02/09/2010 07:17:30 PM 1104 Views
yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM 512 Views
Wouldn't this be.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM 934 Views
nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM 540 Views
Re: I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Camilla - 01/09/2010 12:40:20 PM 1049 Views
*throws panties at you* globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:35:13 PM 912 Views
There are churches where people throw panties at each other? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM 933 Views
I think you would also have to move to where she lives. I don't know any ones that do that here... *NM* Tashmere - 31/08/2010 09:47:21 PM 542 Views
I could just visit random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:55:50 PM 944 Views
but it'd be fun to WATCH LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:02:58 PM 914 Views
if the panties are the size of revival tents it wouldn't be all that fun *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2010 10:20:32 PM 463 Views
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The Church of Tom Jones. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:59 PM 500 Views
(as if this was the first time) I remember that night at kit & wooly's place..... *NM* Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:51:17 PM 520 Views
I can't speak for everyone LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:40:12 PM 1067 Views
Testify Sistah Gaylen! Francie - 01/09/2010 02:47:50 PM 1115 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:40:55 PM 920 Views
Re: Believe it or not... TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:20 PM 1004 Views
I never thought I could feel so free ee eeee *NM* Francie - 01/09/2010 02:48:18 PM 526 Views
As always, Danu - 31/08/2010 06:04:19 PM 1021 Views
If people don't see their need for Jesus as savior, we're doing it wrong. Zalis - 31/08/2010 08:44:36 PM 1074 Views
Well, at least you didn't include the vague "personal." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 08:59:55 PM 916 Views
....what? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM 924 Views
'Far as I can tell, it was a mock reply. *NM* Zalis - 31/08/2010 09:04:16 PM 469 Views
...ah...blagh. *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:07:00 PM 533 Views
It wasn't. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 09:56:35 PM 543 Views
The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM 827 Views
ahhh I see. That's interesting! *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:03:35 PM 515 Views
Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM 1075 Views
I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 02:49:24 AM 942 Views
*picks up the thrown glove* Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM 1085 Views
You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM 948 Views
One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM 939 Views
So then in your estimation.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:52:12 PM 1169 Views
From what I do know... LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:33:14 PM 1065 Views
How about some homework first? Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:32:32 PM 1153 Views
You do understand LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:35:25 PM 939 Views
You'd be suprised... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:50:12 PM 855 Views
Because I find theology interesting LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 10:04:23 PM 906 Views
You'd make such a good Episcopalian. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:17:56 AM 432 Views
Coincidently, Ghav... LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:22:10 AM 910 Views
Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:03:13 AM 951 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:09:46 PM 1140 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM 1167 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM 1002 Views
It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM 932 Views
"mock"...really??? damookster - 02/09/2010 07:22:34 PM 1066 Views
Moralistic, therapeutic Deism sounds like the perfect religion to me... *NM* Legolas - 01/09/2010 04:35:51 PM 491 Views
I think that its a great word to use... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:46:59 PM 1055 Views
Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out. Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM 903 Views
"That ye love one another; as I have loved you" is actually somewhat terrifying. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 07:25:19 AM 950 Views
well OBVIOUSLY LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:29:20 PM 990 Views
Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible, AFAIK. Zalis - 01/09/2010 02:39:59 PM 1022 Views
You might want to research that some SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 02:56:58 PM 915 Views
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, for instance. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:38:00 PM 1053 Views
Nice try, but you will notice that the term "Hell" is entirely absent in the King James version SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:25:12 PM 1028 Views
the weeds will be gathered and burned does seem a little suggestive *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 06:55:44 PM 498 Views
yes of burning. LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM 1068 Views
burning and gnashing teeth *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 07:50:53 PM 514 Views
well wouldn't you gnash your teeth if you were on fire? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:51:36 PM 1091 Views
Jesus needs to work on his analogies LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:39:12 PM 1014 Views
there is a hell random thoughts - 01/09/2010 09:12:34 PM 1091 Views
lollers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:17:16 PM 505 Views
to each their own... damookster - 01/09/2010 11:02:41 PM 957 Views
+1 *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2010 03:43:10 AM 481 Views
Something of a false dilemma, that. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:10:25 AM 905 Views
or perhaps... damookster - 02/09/2010 04:18:57 AM 1048 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:31:33 AM 513 Views
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