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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM
So Jesus died so that we could "do better?" I think it has more to do with the post-salvation indwelling of the Holy Spirit than it does with anything inherently human. We were created in the image of God, but I think it has a lot more to do with volition and our capacity for relational intimacy (read: not sexual intimacy).

God became man so that man might become god. "Doing better" is harder and more rewarding than it sounds. Truly "doing better" is entering into a union with God. Of course the Holy Spirit exists throughout this process.

In the end, so long as we worship the same Christ and agree that salvation comes only through His death & resurrection on the cross, we're on the same team. Or in the same city. A different team or country would be a camp that says humanity is inherently good, that Jesus was just a nice prophet who taught us to be excellent to each other. That life is about our good deeds outweighing bad on some celestial scale, to be accounted for in the after. Stuff like that.

I'll hedge around the issue and affirm that unity with God occurs by the grace of the ?????. I'm unwilling to set any boundaries on where and in whom the Word has and hasn't dwelt. I affirm it was one with Christ, though, so we can agree on that.

So, saying that, I apologize for any sense of antagonism that may have been reflected in the earlier post. This forum is typically a pretty hostile place in regard to Biblical truth, and the "Word, brutha" thread had mock replies on my mind.

Not a problem. Being honest about one's beliefs is very difficult. :)
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Preaching the Word: You're doing it wrong. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 08:22:14 AM 1551 Views
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Lots of good stuff Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 12:43:57 PM 975 Views
True enough. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:29:23 PM 1082 Views
Maybe it's just where you're coming from... Bramhodoulos - 31/08/2010 06:34:09 PM 924 Views
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I really <3 you. @my - 31/08/2010 03:09:39 PM 952 Views
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he is a preacher LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 03:19:44 PM 1046 Views
Most of it. Dannymac - 31/08/2010 04:26:24 PM 898 Views
Well done. *NM* Missa Sedai - 31/08/2010 04:46:54 PM 575 Views
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he's a peachy preacher? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 05:27:08 PM 990 Views
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I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Dannymac - 31/08/2010 07:18:19 PM 858 Views
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passionate preachers make me uneasy. LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 08:38:05 PM 778 Views
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Why do you take what he says so personally? Francie - 01/09/2010 08:51:06 PM 1023 Views
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Your assumption... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:44:28 PM 1119 Views
Look him in the eye? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:59:02 PM 891 Views
Ok... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 10:34:56 PM 1011 Views
so you would not say a murderer would go to heaven? LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:21:10 AM 961 Views
Forgiveness and repentance are humanity's most noble qualities. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:48:02 AM 888 Views
Isn't love your big thing? Jeordam - 02/09/2010 07:17:30 PM 1102 Views
yah I know. I just always feel like they're trying to sell me something. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:09:13 PM 512 Views
Wouldn't this be.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:22:27 PM 932 Views
nah, i generally feel that way about that particular behavior. it's not exclusive to preachers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:29:23 PM 540 Views
Re: I wouldn't blame you much if you did... Camilla - 01/09/2010 12:40:20 PM 1048 Views
*throws panties at you* globug0822 - 31/08/2010 08:35:13 PM 911 Views
There are churches where people throw panties at each other? random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:42:17 PM 932 Views
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I could just visit random thoughts - 31/08/2010 09:55:50 PM 943 Views
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if the panties are the size of revival tents it wouldn't be all that fun *NM* random thoughts - 31/08/2010 10:20:32 PM 463 Views
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The Church of Tom Jones. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2010 10:22:59 PM 500 Views
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Testify Sistah Gaylen! Francie - 01/09/2010 02:47:50 PM 1113 Views
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I never thought I could feel so free ee eeee *NM* Francie - 01/09/2010 02:48:18 PM 526 Views
As always, Danu - 31/08/2010 06:04:19 PM 1018 Views
If people don't see their need for Jesus as savior, we're doing it wrong. Zalis - 31/08/2010 08:44:36 PM 1073 Views
Well, at least you didn't include the vague "personal." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 08:59:55 PM 913 Views
....what? LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:02:05 PM 921 Views
'Far as I can tell, it was a mock reply. *NM* Zalis - 31/08/2010 09:04:16 PM 469 Views
...ah...blagh. *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 09:07:00 PM 533 Views
It wasn't. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 09:56:35 PM 543 Views
The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Ghavrel - 31/08/2010 10:02:04 PM 825 Views
ahhh I see. That's interesting! *NM* LadyLorraine - 31/08/2010 10:03:35 PM 515 Views
Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM 1073 Views
I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 02:49:24 AM 939 Views
*picks up the thrown glove* Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:44:53 AM 1083 Views
You didn't say anything I disagree with. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 05:02:59 AM 948 Views
One of your statements suma great deal of Christianity, actually LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:39:52 PM 936 Views
So then in your estimation.... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:52:12 PM 1167 Views
From what I do know... LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:33:14 PM 1062 Views
How about some homework first? Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:32:32 PM 1151 Views
You do understand LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:35:25 PM 936 Views
You'd be suprised... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 09:50:12 PM 854 Views
Because I find theology interesting LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 10:04:23 PM 905 Views
You'd make such a good Episcopalian. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 12:17:56 AM 432 Views
Coincidently, Ghav... LadyLorraine - 02/09/2010 12:22:10 AM 908 Views
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Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:09:46 PM 1139 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 11:59:47 PM 1166 Views
Re: I love the smell of Calvinism in the morning. It smells like... self-loathing. Zalis - 02/09/2010 01:03:42 AM 999 Views
It isn't henosis. It's a union with God. That's the whole point of the Eucharist, anyway. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 01:13:39 AM 931 Views
"mock"...really??? damookster - 02/09/2010 07:22:34 PM 1065 Views
Moralistic, therapeutic Deism sounds like the perfect religion to me... *NM* Legolas - 01/09/2010 04:35:51 PM 491 Views
I think that its a great word to use... Jeordam - 01/09/2010 03:46:59 PM 1052 Views
Bummer Jesus couldn't figure that one out. Dannymac - 01/09/2010 03:48:03 AM 903 Views
"That ye love one another; as I have loved you" is actually somewhat terrifying. Ghavrel - 01/09/2010 07:25:19 AM 948 Views
well OBVIOUSLY LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 12:29:20 PM 989 Views
Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible, AFAIK. Zalis - 01/09/2010 02:39:59 PM 1021 Views
You might want to research that some SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 02:56:58 PM 914 Views
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, for instance. Zalis - 01/09/2010 03:38:00 PM 1050 Views
Nice try, but you will notice that the term "Hell" is entirely absent in the King James version SilverWarder - 01/09/2010 06:25:12 PM 1028 Views
the weeds will be gathered and burned does seem a little suggestive *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 06:55:44 PM 498 Views
yes of burning. LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:38:07 PM 1065 Views
burning and gnashing teeth *NM* random thoughts - 01/09/2010 07:50:53 PM 514 Views
well wouldn't you gnash your teeth if you were on fire? LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:51:36 PM 1090 Views
Jesus needs to work on his analogies LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 07:39:12 PM 1012 Views
there is a hell random thoughts - 01/09/2010 09:12:34 PM 1089 Views
lollers *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/09/2010 09:17:16 PM 505 Views
to each their own... damookster - 01/09/2010 11:02:41 PM 957 Views
+1 *NM* random thoughts - 02/09/2010 03:43:10 AM 481 Views
Something of a false dilemma, that. Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:10:25 AM 904 Views
or perhaps... damookster - 02/09/2010 04:18:57 AM 1046 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 02/09/2010 04:31:33 AM 513 Views
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