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*shrug* Old news, really. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/09/2010 02:50:00 PM
This cannot be allowed to contine...

If anyone ever bothered looking at what our beloved "PATRIOT" Act actually says one of the federal powers it asserts is to go into people homes, with or without their knowledge or presence, install surveillance equipment (primarily on computers) and monitor away on "suspicion of being suspicious. " And if by some freak stroke of luck you actually manage to FIND OUT they're doing it, the same law that claims this as a federal power also makes it illegal for you to tell anyone.

For that matter, most new cars these days have GPS installed, whether or not the owner can access or is even aware of it; frankly, I've never understood why people refuse to tolerate some powers in governments but are perfectly fine allowing them for powerful private citizens accountable to none. You have a lot more influence on you government than you do Microsoft, more than most people have on their own employers, so why is the most accountable one the least trustworthy? Note how the dissenting Justices arguments underscore mine nicely. ;)
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1984 at last...Very Disturbing - 25/08/2010 04:08:04 PM 1772 Views
what a stupid decision... - 25/08/2010 04:16:49 PM 1113 Views
Re: what a stupid decision... - 25/08/2010 04:23:26 PM 1323 Views
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the police aren't snapping pictures. - 25/08/2010 04:36:32 PM 1075 Views
oddly enough you can dance naked in front of the window - 25/08/2010 05:01:33 PM 1156 Views
yah, i know there are instances like that - 25/08/2010 05:15:59 PM 1146 Views
How is it really that much different then following in car or helicopter? - 25/08/2010 04:27:28 PM 1154 Views
it's less that people shouldn't expect privacy behind a fence... - 25/08/2010 04:35:28 PM 1057 Views
it's about 4th and 5th amendment, imho - 26/08/2010 03:00:01 AM 1194 Views
It does seem wrong - 25/08/2010 05:04:39 PM 1126 Views
^ that's what i was trying to say - 25/08/2010 05:16:35 PM 1273 Views
When it comes to stuff like this I always same the same thing - 25/08/2010 05:09:01 PM 1160 Views
true. but what if they only think you're breaking the law? - 25/08/2010 05:19:52 PM 1037 Views
Well they would easily find out you weren't a drug dealer - 25/08/2010 05:25:40 PM 1154 Views
wait, now i'm guilty until proven innocent? - 25/08/2010 05:32:42 PM 1182 Views
most of those people deserved to be tasered *NM* - 25/08/2010 05:45:29 PM 522 Views
most of the old women and non-resisting people deserve to be tasered? *NM* - 25/08/2010 09:07:12 PM 580 Views
most of them are resiting they resisting - 25/08/2010 09:13:29 PM 1117 Views
but they aren't resisiting in a way that puts the officer in danger, i mean. - 25/08/2010 09:22:06 PM 1159 Views
but effective - 25/08/2010 09:55:30 PM 1023 Views
yes nothing says "better than arguing" than ELECTROCUTING SOMEONE - 25/08/2010 11:14:55 PM 1183 Views
any physical altercation is dangerous for a police officer - 25/08/2010 11:30:07 PM 1027 Views
you see plenty of videos where the person wasn't being aggressive, though. - 25/08/2010 11:46:43 PM 1180 Views
Sorry but he needed to be tasered - 26/08/2010 02:57:19 AM 1151 Views
well we're getting a little off topic here and going to a sidebar soon.. - 26/08/2010 03:36:43 AM 1077 Views
And when someone dies because they get electrocuted? - 26/08/2010 06:52:13 AM 1391 Views
I believe Jefferson had a certain famous quote about that... *NM* - 25/08/2010 07:50:48 PM 580 Views
It was Franklin. - 25/08/2010 10:12:54 PM 1195 Views
i do love that quote - 25/08/2010 11:17:11 PM 1079 Views
They did. He says it in Congress and, if I recall correctly, Dickinson gets annoyed. - 25/08/2010 11:37:41 PM 1016 Views
it's a lovely musical - 25/08/2010 11:47:29 PM 1010 Views
Enforcers of the law are not supposed to be above it. - 25/08/2010 05:56:00 PM 1066 Views
Re: Enforcers of the law are not supposed to be above it. - 26/08/2010 06:47:30 AM 1291 Views
This feels like two separate issues to me. - 25/08/2010 05:25:50 PM 1211 Views
even if they are not restricted, driveways are private property - 25/08/2010 05:34:00 PM 1169 Views
I don't think that's true. - 25/08/2010 05:55:26 PM 1092 Views
you don't need permission to walk up someone's driveway until they have posted a no trespassing sign - 25/08/2010 06:00:02 PM 1182 Views
yes, and that's a relatively expected activity - 25/08/2010 07:24:54 PM 1224 Views
Should a person without a garage be penalized - 25/08/2010 05:36:37 PM 1292 Views
They're not being penalized; it works in the other direction. - 25/08/2010 05:59:59 PM 1278 Views
I think... - 25/08/2010 09:47:51 PM 1142 Views
Or you could go the other way, and say it's legal for them to put a GPS tracker on your house. - 25/08/2010 10:30:32 PM 1009 Views
I wouldn't mind a GPS tracker on my house - 25/08/2010 11:16:10 PM 1070 Views
They need a fucking warrant. End of story. Fuckers *NM* - 26/08/2010 12:13:04 AM 542 Views
ummmm.... - 26/08/2010 03:35:30 AM 1096 Views
I do believe that would require a warrant though *NM* - 26/08/2010 04:57:36 AM 455 Views
The GPS in a phone being on will show up, though - 01/09/2010 12:36:13 PM 1038 Views
I have 3 words for you... - 27/08/2010 01:59:13 PM 1339 Views
I have one word horseshit *NM* - 27/08/2010 06:18:33 PM 525 Views
right - 27/08/2010 10:19:53 PM 1145 Views
*shrug* Old news, really. - 02/09/2010 02:50:00 PM 1103 Views

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