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Joel opened himself up to this nossy Send a noteboard - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM
You're not 12, huh? Then act like an adult and own your choices. No one here owes you dental care. If you come whining about it in a public forum and then excoriate the nation because we don't want to pay for it for you, then people are allowed to have an opinion on the matter. You don't want people treating you like a child? Then grow the fuck up and don't act like one.

And yes, I do consider dental care an essential. Just like food and shelter. Why don't you ask everyone else to pay for those for you, too. I'm sure there are any number of things you'd rather spend your money on. I personally make sure I have the means to pay for essentials. I don't waste every extra penny on fun things and then wonder why I can't pay for what I need. And I certainly don't then go asking people to pay for me. You're like the fucking fabled grasshopper and you seem to have no shame about it, either.

And if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate.


But I think you're going beyond the line. I can understand your stance on the "right" to medical/insurance/etc, but I do not feel that means you should pick apart his personal life. Whether politics let us admit it or not, he has a very valid point that dental is prohibitively expensive, and in a civilized society there should probably be easier ways of allowing people to meet that need w/o (ie) forgoing AC in Texas or condemning the life of a pet.

If you disagree with that basic point, fine, disagree away. But attacking his personal choices is not appropriate.
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NSSP: I Live in the Greatest Country on Earth! Joel - 09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM 1846 Views
17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM* random thoughts - 09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM 533 Views
seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off. LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM 1159 Views
Give me the time and money, and I'll be happy to do it. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:32:42 PM 1115 Views
This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM 1218 Views
So in other words it's your own damn fault. Tom - 09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM 1122 Views
"Not that expensive" is a big phrase. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM 1074 Views
I've actually been buying Boar's Head knockwurst for grilling. Tom - 10/09/2010 05:46:59 AM 973 Views
Aaaah, thanks. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:13:19 AM 983 Views
have you tried going to a dental school? random thoughts - 09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM 1026 Views
Congratulations: You made the first constructive suggestion in the thread. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:37:51 AM 1062 Views
well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off. LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM 1128 Views
Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own. Joel - 09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM 1251 Views
whatever. If you put your health second... LadyLorraine - 09/09/2010 07:40:20 PM 1212 Views
Millions of Americans do it daily, which was my point. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:48:38 AM 1034 Views
17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM 580 Views
Dr. Pepper Joel - 09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM 1086 Views
Re: Dr. Pepper Isaac - 10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM 1253 Views
A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth.... Joel - 11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM 1243 Views
(shrugs) I don't mix personal and politics Isaac - 11/09/2010 07:21:36 PM 1460 Views
As it should be. Joel - 11/09/2010 09:17:56 PM 1192 Views
By they way, some quick possibly useful advice Isaac - 11/09/2010 07:38:02 PM 1160 Views
Yeah, those are the two things I'm thinking. Joel - 11/09/2010 08:47:54 PM 1214 Views
no, that would be the dr. pepper again... moondog - 11/09/2010 07:52:44 PM 1074 Views
no but he is a big fan of Kool-Aid *NM* random thoughts - 09/09/2010 10:08:25 PM 540 Views
*NM* Isaac - 10/09/2010 05:43:06 PM 573 Views
Yikes. nossy - 09/09/2010 08:45:55 PM 1079 Views
This is (one of) the thing(s) I love about you: Joel - 10/09/2010 05:34:02 AM 1146 Views
would it save you money if they just ripped them all out and put in dentures instead? *NM* moondog - 09/09/2010 09:32:41 PM 618 Views
Honestly not sure, but that may be what happens. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:36:15 AM 1019 Views
One bit at a time.. Kel - 09/09/2010 10:11:00 PM 1053 Views
Indeed. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:54:10 AM 1239 Views
I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries. Tim - 10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM 1105 Views
yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM* random thoughts - 10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM 556 Views
I think I must have been channeling a drunken poet when I wrote that insult ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 01:23:45 AM 1222 Views
LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM 1202 Views
I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes! Dark Knight - 10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM 1131 Views
When I posted regularly and prolifically that was kinda my thing. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:17:03 AM 1062 Views
Certainly not! *NM* ironclad - 10/09/2010 08:13:07 AM 516 Views
All hail the stereotype! Tim - 10/09/2010 10:12:30 AM 1041 Views
Where does that stereotype come from? Camilla - 11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM 1389 Views
Also less of an obsession with artficially whitening teeth. *NM* Legolas - 11/09/2010 05:33:04 PM 547 Views
Combined with tea? *NM* Camilla - 11/09/2010 05:34:25 PM 496 Views
Yeah, about that... Joel - 11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM 1441 Views
Re: Yeah, about that... Camilla - 11/09/2010 09:35:15 PM 1440 Views
Still keeping my US citizenship though. Joel - 11/09/2010 09:53:05 PM 1273 Views
It's painful to watch though. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:16:03 AM 1127 Views
America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM 625 Views
Sorry for the national debt nearly as large as our GDP, falling standard of living and Iraq War. Joel - 10/09/2010 05:57:34 AM 1060 Views
Suck it up ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 01:27:09 AM 1073 Views
Norway doesn't provide dental coverage for anyone over 18. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:09:32 AM 1132 Views
~shrugs~ damookster - 10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM 1052 Views
In this case I did without so I could get to work every day, and put my arm back in its socket. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:19:11 AM 1061 Views
Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM 581 Views
LITERATEDOG!! ßelals Girl - 10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM 1178 Views
I was trying to go the Facebook route, but no one wants to debate anything there. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 02:04:48 AM 608 Views
The only people that reply to you on Facebook are people who already like you and agree with you. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 10/09/2010 03:07:22 AM 556 Views
Xactly. Hide everyone else. *NM* nossy - 10/09/2010 03:22:36 AM 435 Views
Not really. Joel - 10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM 1206 Views
Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM 1044 Views
Funny thing is I once would've agreed. Joel - 10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM 1139 Views
Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM 1205 Views
Joel opened himself up to this nossy - 10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM 1082 Views
But it's all about his personal choices. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM 1172 Views
A rather tangential point, but since you keep talking about what "you as a nation" pay for... Legolas - 10/09/2010 06:07:10 PM 1059 Views
I couldn't care less what his actual income is. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:16:41 PM 1068 Views
IIRC, you think there's a huge pile of misspent money that should be returned to its owners. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:12:57 PM 1142 Views
Yes. nossy - 10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM 1235 Views
Much better put than in my post. What she said. *NM* Legolas - 10/09/2010 06:39:27 PM 487 Views
Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice". LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM 1018 Views
Ok. nossy - 11/09/2010 07:14:23 AM 1070 Views
Actually, no. Not ok. nossy - 11/09/2010 08:23:02 AM 974 Views
But, you know, even then, put the political part of it aside. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 11:29:36 PM 1140 Views
Excoriate? nossy - 11/09/2010 07:21:03 AM 1464 Views
.sorry, darlin'... damookster - 11/09/2010 03:40:24 AM 1273 Views
and edit. nossy - 11/09/2010 07:23:41 AM 1230 Views
In other words, you made sacrfices for those you love. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:25:08 PM 1317 Views
Actually, most of those choices weren't mine and I opposed them. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:09:43 PM 1155 Views
"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh? Joel - 11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM 1332 Views
And your comparison of a celebratory party to the basic right to marry itself is ludicrous. LiterateDog - 10/09/2010 06:55:18 AM 1382 Views
That's an unfortunate situation... Vivien - 10/09/2010 05:10:01 PM 1228 Views
*hugs* I'm glad you got it taken care of though, and glad to hear from you; been a little worried. Joel - 11/09/2010 04:34:31 PM 1155 Views
I have about 3 fiddy BlackAdder - 10/09/2010 05:47:38 PM 1087 Views
*submerges and capsizes your boat* Joel - 11/09/2010 04:35:04 PM 1117 Views
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