I ain't saying HP Elites are bad, but this is not a good balanced computer.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2960/1
No normal person needs the Intel Core I7 6 cores, it is not worth the return on investment. Only people that will benefit from it are (and I quote) people in "compute intensive 3D work, video encoding or (extensive) Excel modeling." If you are doing these fields you should be looking at nothing better than a core i7 860 ($284), i7 870 ($294), i7 930 ($294), or i7 950 ($294 this processor just had a recent price drop if you buy in quantities of 1000 or more). Now the i7 980x costs $999 for quantities of a 1000 or more. The reason why you shouldn't care about the intel Core I7 6 cores is that if you aren't in those fields you won't be stressing the processor enough where you will gain a benefit of 6 cores instead of 4. The 4 cores have similar clock speeds and similar latency cache that you just won't see a benefit unless your stressing your system enough. This was shown in the synthetic benchmarks I linked above where you only got a 5% speed gain.
Now HP like many OEMs are tricking you into buying that video card. You will see no performance benefit going from 1 gb vs 2 gb, but people think the bigger number makes it better. That video card is a so/so card that costs about $100 on the open market but in reality performance wise (compared to other cards) performs as well as a $70 dollar card. What determines the speed of your video card is not the amount of memory your card has but the number of calculation units the card has (stream processors and rops). That card has 400 ATI stream processors (which is not bad), but ATI has cards going all the way up to 1600.
Finally if you are going to spend 2 grand on a computer, you really really need an SSD. An SSD is a hard drive that doesn't have moving parts but instead uses flash memory in parallel to access the data. The slowest SSD is still 3 times faster than the fastest hard drive on the market (and some SSDs are about 5 times faster.)
See the below youtube video to get an idea of how much difference their is between ssd vs harddrive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Jz7IMwBt4
The reason why the computer runs much faster on the right is SSDs have much lower latency on how long it takes to read files as well as write to them. Now here is the sad news, SSDs are still expensive on a gigabyte basis when compared to a harddrive. This isn't really a problem on a desktop since you can get a 80 or 160 gb ssd for your operating system and all your programs and a normal hard drive for all your data. The second problem is that most OEMS don't have SSDs preinstalled in their systems or if they do they charge double for the luxury. I know you are wanting a simple prebuilt, but installing a ssd is something quite easy to do for a computer shop or a techie.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2960/1
No normal person needs the Intel Core I7 6 cores, it is not worth the return on investment. Only people that will benefit from it are (and I quote) people in "compute intensive 3D work, video encoding or (extensive) Excel modeling." If you are doing these fields you should be looking at nothing better than a core i7 860 ($284), i7 870 ($294), i7 930 ($294), or i7 950 ($294 this processor just had a recent price drop if you buy in quantities of 1000 or more). Now the i7 980x costs $999 for quantities of a 1000 or more. The reason why you shouldn't care about the intel Core I7 6 cores is that if you aren't in those fields you won't be stressing the processor enough where you will gain a benefit of 6 cores instead of 4. The 4 cores have similar clock speeds and similar latency cache that you just won't see a benefit unless your stressing your system enough. This was shown in the synthetic benchmarks I linked above where you only got a 5% speed gain.
Now HP like many OEMs are tricking you into buying that video card. You will see no performance benefit going from 1 gb vs 2 gb, but people think the bigger number makes it better. That video card is a so/so card that costs about $100 on the open market but in reality performance wise (compared to other cards) performs as well as a $70 dollar card. What determines the speed of your video card is not the amount of memory your card has but the number of calculation units the card has (stream processors and rops). That card has 400 ATI stream processors (which is not bad), but ATI has cards going all the way up to 1600.
Finally if you are going to spend 2 grand on a computer, you really really need an SSD. An SSD is a hard drive that doesn't have moving parts but instead uses flash memory in parallel to access the data. The slowest SSD is still 3 times faster than the fastest hard drive on the market (and some SSDs are about 5 times faster.)
See the below youtube video to get an idea of how much difference their is between ssd vs harddrive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Jz7IMwBt4
The reason why the computer runs much faster on the right is SSDs have much lower latency on how long it takes to read files as well as write to them. Now here is the sad news, SSDs are still expensive on a gigabyte basis when compared to a harddrive. This isn't really a problem on a desktop since you can get a 80 or 160 gb ssd for your operating system and all your programs and a normal hard drive for all your data. The second problem is that most OEMS don't have SSDs preinstalled in their systems or if they do they charge double for the luxury. I know you are wanting a simple prebuilt, but installing a ssd is something quite easy to do for a computer shop or a techie.
What sort of computers do people here recommend?
- 28/09/2010 10:31:02 PM
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It's been ages since I bought a computer or had to look into buying one, but...
- 28/09/2010 11:06:32 PM
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Do not buy dell *NM*
- 28/09/2010 11:18:11 PM
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I will not. I will not buy one on a boat, I will not buy one with a goat.
- 29/09/2010 01:24:07 AM
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I'm not 100% sure they make desktop computers (I mean, I imagine they would)...
- 28/09/2010 11:08:19 PM
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Re: I'm not 100% sure they make desktop computers (I mean, I imagine they would)...
- 30/09/2010 01:26:21 AM
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I am very partial to both Acer desktops and laptops.
- 28/09/2010 11:15:02 PM
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What do you do with your computer? Desktop or Laptop? *NM*
- 28/09/2010 11:18:57 PM
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Desktop. I have network access storage for work files so I don't ever use laptops.
- 29/09/2010 01:25:15 AM
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HP Pavilion Elite. ≥8GB RAM. 1TB Memory. 1GB video card. They offer about 3-4 models like that. *NM*
- 28/09/2010 11:35:32 PM
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I just looked at an HP computer...
- 29/09/2010 01:21:25 AM
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Sigh
- 29/09/2010 02:28:38 AM
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Doesn't the US have companies that let you pick the parts and then they assemble for a small fee? *NM*
- 29/09/2010 06:05:09 AM
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Most of those options were only $20 - $40 more than the base options
- 29/09/2010 01:50:20 PM
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Here is what I would recommend
- 30/09/2010 05:36:08 PM
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im in the market for a new puter and this is the one ive been eyeing..
- 30/09/2010 01:34:34 AM
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You might like a Sony
- 28/09/2010 11:43:56 PM
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Sony machines, especially their laptops, are vastly overpriced in my opinion.
- 28/09/2010 11:55:13 PM
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I'm fairly sure that Sony no longer makes normal "desktops"
- 29/09/2010 12:58:00 AM
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hmm, alright then
- 29/09/2010 02:37:59 AM
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HP used to be good, but I've been hearing bad things recently.
- 29/09/2010 12:58:44 AM
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What bad things have you heard?
- 29/09/2010 01:27:23 AM
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HP has many models
- 29/09/2010 02:01:25 AM
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Re: HP has many models
- 29/09/2010 03:01:43 AM
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If I were going cheap on laptops I would probably go for a lenovo
- 29/09/2010 03:21:19 AM
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I had no problem running multiple programs for hours at a time.
- 29/09/2010 07:11:08 AM
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I like my HP better than my dell.
- 29/09/2010 01:14:39 AM
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Did the bad computer lick your apples? *NM*
- 29/09/2010 01:23:00 AM
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No, that would be a bad thing.
- 29/09/2010 01:34:59 AM
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But that Dell was the bad computer.
*NM*
- 29/09/2010 01:37:09 AM
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*NM*
- 29/09/2010 01:37:09 AM
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Dell sucks more dick than a gay boy at his first Pride event.
- 29/09/2010 01:21:06 AM
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I liked your "like a gay for pay frat boy" euphemism better.
- 29/09/2010 01:28:13 AM
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Well, they can't all be hits and I try not to recycle material too often.
- 29/09/2010 01:31:37 AM
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- 29/09/2010 01:31:37 AM
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Re: Dell dick gay boy event.
- 29/09/2010 02:59:38 AM
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I didn't say he'd do it well. But yes, I believe a significant quantity of pole smoking would occur. *NM*
- 29/09/2010 03:02:38 AM
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Anything designed by Cyberdyne Systems is the future. *NM*
- 29/09/2010 09:51:56 AM
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I've heard they have problems with their customer service. *NM*
- 29/09/2010 11:52:25 AM
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I heard the opposite. They respond quickly and effectively. *NM*
- 29/09/2010 03:36:03 PM
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I really don't have computer advice, b/c I bought the first cheap computer I saw.
- 29/09/2010 12:15:11 PM
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Our Acer is very nice.
- 30/09/2010 06:12:04 PM
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