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You're right. Joel Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM

Let's keep in mind that the first amendment is there to protect unpopular speech, popular speech has never needed protection, no one ever gets dragged away by secret police in the middle of the night for saying how much they like their dictator.

In a nutshell.


I'm sure you've noticed by now that a lot of the objections people have been raising are phrased in a way that makes it pretty obvious that if the word 'islam' had been replaced with something else they wouldn't care, or would say the school was overreacting because the schoolboard was full of nuts, or alternatively a lot the people mention free speech here would have been frothing at the mouth if it had said something else. You take two speerate blind groups and have one where a kid walked in wearing a shirt that said 'save the whales' and another that said 'nuke the whales' and watch as both groups have people scream holy heck that would have shrugged if they'd seen the other shirt. A small sliver will be those who liked the shirt and still say 'We shouldn't have messages on shirts in a public school full of minors' and another small group that hates the shirt but goes ballistic when someone tries to ban it. Those two tiny slivers 'get it', the others are just self-selective when it comes to getting offended.

Personally, the existance of that self-selective morals majority is what I blame 99% of the worlds problems and atrocities on. For every blistering insane psychopath sneaking into power you have a thousand 'innocent bystanders' turning a blind eye or shrugging. But I'm rambling off on a morbid streak here, I'm sure you get my point.

It's not about right and wrong it's about their own tastes. The current form I give it is:

Pithy Pet Phrase #16: 16. Positive action for self is mere enlightened self interest; sacrifice for virtue is the moral test.

Morality and ethics exist independently of how they impact us personally; the ability to recognize that is a key aspect of real ethics. And one lacking to an increasing degree in our world, in large part, I think, because as we've increasingly lost our sense of community to a greater sense of competition we've neglected the Golden Rule more and more. :disapprove:
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really have you actaully read the Qur'an - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 925 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 918 Views
Acrually No I don't. - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 796 Views
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so he was lying when he said he didn't? - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 988 Views
Christ never said that. - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 899 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 950 Views
+1 *NM* - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 430 Views
+2 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 397 Views
+3 *NM* - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 416 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 443 Views
Because I can. - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 963 Views
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So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 964 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 913 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 989 Views
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Define "disruptive". - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 915 Views
No. *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 444 Views
Well said *NM* - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 414 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 880 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 414 Views
you are making no sense - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 955 Views
Quite a bit. - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 928 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 486 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 325 Views
The thing I think you are missing... - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 1010 Views
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Yeah, what you said! - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1030 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 404 Views
Wrong. - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 936 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 612 Views
Because in America - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1022 Views
Re: Because in America - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 864 Views
And... - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 881 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 306 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 945 Views
Go, Tash, go! - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 902 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 902 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 382 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 390 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 445 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 858 Views
Why on earth should it? - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 886 Views
Because... - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 963 Views
Re: Because... - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1143 Views
Really? - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 843 Views
Re: Really? - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 899 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 798 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 849 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 977 Views
Failed edit. *NM* - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 423 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 424 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 943 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1078 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 925 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 927 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 920 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 991 Views
Well said *NM* - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 424 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1052 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 942 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 488 Views
The appropriate punishment... - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 944 Views
Punishment for what? - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 952 Views
When did I say anything about a law? - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 915 Views
That's the key point so many forget: - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 791 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 962 Views
No, that's pretty much it. - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1029 Views
You're right. - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1106 Views
If I understand you - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 947 Views
Yes, that was it - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1084 Views

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