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But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM
It's at best an empty placeholder or hope for an explanation. Science at least provides a partial explanation of the unknown by describing the boundaries of what we know. If you say the soul is whatever human qualities haven't yet been discovered by science, then the soul theory is falsified every time a scientific discovery about humanity is made.

That said, you could say I believe in the "soul" as a good label for a collection of qualities that humans happen to possess. I just don't see any need (scientifically or theologically) for positing a spiritual substance to explain those qualities.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? Lordling - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 915 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* random thoughts - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 286 Views
No *NM* Insolitus - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 265 Views
not a chance *NM* clam - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 268 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 722 Views
On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM 651 Views
aaah but who says we can percieve all there is to percieve in relation to our persons? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 04:14:08 PM 630 Views
But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM 593 Views
i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 07:50:27 PM 655 Views
Re: i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" Burr - 14/09/2009 08:05:41 PM 655 Views
Carts and horses. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:10:22 PM 783 Views
No *NM* Monkey - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 268 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? jh - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 653 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? Lordling - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 637 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things Matrimony Cauthon - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 678 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 685 Views
No. *NM* Entophile - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 258 Views
define "spiritual'. Avendesora - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 611 Views
Rum. Craig - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 663 Views
YES! *NM* Elaine - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 293 Views
How are we not married? *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 268 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 253 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 274 Views
Timing *NM* Elaine - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 269 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* Craig - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 280 Views
Your Face. *NM* jh - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 269 Views
My Achilles face! Craig - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 560 Views
No *NM* Dragonsworn - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 250 Views
No *NM* Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 268 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* Stephen - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 254 Views
Substance? Great Lord of Chaos - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 626 Views
Yeah, boobs. Vodalus - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 612 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 647 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. jh - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 672 Views
Sorry. Joel - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 601 Views
Re: Sorry. Burr - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 582 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 638 Views
Nicely put. *NM* everynametaken - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 248 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 243 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 858 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose Sports_Gambler - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 562 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 743 Views
One little correction Isaac - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 734 Views
That makes it more complex, but I agree the same basic problem persists. Joel - 07/10/2009 12:11:07 PM 789 Views
Nay. Burr - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 566 Views
Re: Nay. Joel - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 679 Views
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