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But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM
It's at best an empty placeholder or hope for an explanation. Science at least provides a partial explanation of the unknown by describing the boundaries of what we know. If you say the soul is whatever human qualities haven't yet been discovered by science, then the soul theory is falsified every time a scientific discovery about humanity is made.

That said, you could say I believe in the "soul" as a good label for a collection of qualities that humans happen to possess. I just don't see any need (scientifically or theologically) for positing a spiritual substance to explain those qualities.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? Lordling - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 944 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* random thoughts - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 296 Views
No *NM* Insolitus - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 276 Views
not a chance *NM* clam - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 280 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 750 Views
On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM 679 Views
aaah but who says we can percieve all there is to percieve in relation to our persons? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 04:14:08 PM 683 Views
But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM 624 Views
i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 07:50:27 PM 687 Views
Re: i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" Burr - 14/09/2009 08:05:41 PM 682 Views
Carts and horses. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:10:22 PM 825 Views
No *NM* Monkey - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 281 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? jh - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 685 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? Lordling - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 669 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things Matrimony Cauthon - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 715 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 727 Views
No. *NM* Entophile - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 272 Views
define "spiritual'. Avendesora - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 638 Views
Rum. Craig - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 690 Views
YES! *NM* Elaine - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 305 Views
How are we not married? *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 281 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 283 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 288 Views
Timing *NM* Elaine - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 280 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* Craig - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 294 Views
Your Face. *NM* jh - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 282 Views
My Achilles face! Craig - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 589 Views
No *NM* Dragonsworn - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 264 Views
No *NM* Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 281 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* Stephen - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 268 Views
Substance? Great Lord of Chaos - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 656 Views
Yeah, boobs. Vodalus - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 641 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 670 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. jh - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 716 Views
Sorry. Joel - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 633 Views
Re: Sorry. Burr - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 611 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 671 Views
Nicely put. *NM* everynametaken - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 261 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 254 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 889 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose Sports_Gambler - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 590 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 786 Views
One little correction Isaac - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 769 Views
That makes it more complex, but I agree the same basic problem persists. Joel - 07/10/2009 12:11:07 PM 829 Views
Nay. Burr - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 608 Views
Re: Nay. Joel - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 721 Views
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