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Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM
You are misunderstanding the importance of the toy. Following the meal with a toy reinforces the behavior so that in similar circumstances in the future the child is more likely to repeat the behavior in expectation of the reinforcer (not the food). Desiring the happy meal has less to do with a kid wanting the happy meal versus the kid wanting the toy. And a toy is a pretty strong reinforcer for a child.

The best part of it all is that the process of reinforcement doesn't even have to be conscious, it doesn't have to be thought out in terms of expecting a reward. Truly, most reinforcement and learning is not a conscious act at all. This is Behaviorism and Learning Theory 101. The companies didn't just pull the idea of a kid's meal out of their asses, they planned it with a complete understanding of how learning and behavior work.

By the way, what do you think things like Monopoly or rewards programs are? They are reinforcers for adults and boy do they work. McDonalds cashes in on repeat business every time they run their Monopoly contest as people pile in to get their stickers (not eat because they are hungry).

That isn't to say that I think the government should legislate happy meals. I still think it is the parent or parents' responsibility to monitor the behavior of their child(ren) but don't just poo poo this as ridiculous. The toy is definitely a well planned out psychological manipulation that the companies know full well they are doing. If I were to support the government doing anything though I would support them sending a pamphlet to their citizens explaining how they're being hoodwinked by companies who want to sell them really bad food until they croak from disease and can't buy it anymore.
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San Francisco Bans The Happy Meal - 04/11/2010 04:00:12 AM 2239 Views
Great. Now I'll never finish my Polly Pocket army. *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:10:26 AM 651 Views
now, they only really banned the toy that comes with the happy meal if it doesn't meet guidelines - 04/11/2010 06:32:46 AM 1417 Views
yup - 04/11/2010 09:23:44 AM 1440 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:53 AM 576 Views
Yes *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:59:52 AM 639 Views
the government should not have to right to say how I feed my child - 04/11/2010 01:37:41 PM 1274 Views
I find feeding happy meals to children far more appalling. - 04/11/2010 01:39:13 PM 1215 Views
what you like to eat really isn't the point though - 04/11/2010 02:13:31 PM 1363 Views
I know, I was just saying that McDonald's is crappy, period - 04/11/2010 02:16:19 PM 1211 Views
the government limits the kind of advertising your child sees during saturday morning cartoons - 04/11/2010 03:36:47 PM 1152 Views
that isn't even close to the same thing - 04/11/2010 04:15:09 PM 1290 Views
Don't forget the removal of more and more activity. - 05/11/2010 12:32:03 AM 1128 Views
yeah that is why kids are getting fat - 05/11/2010 04:26:38 AM 1162 Views
wow, ever consider that political leanings have nothing to do with my opinion - 05/11/2010 11:59:15 AM 1348 Views
your the one who wanted to bring your politics into it - 05/11/2010 12:23:08 PM 1193 Views
uhm, what? I said no such thing. - 05/11/2010 12:33:22 PM 1355 Views
maybe I spend to much time arguing with Joel - 05/11/2010 02:20:34 PM 1257 Views
that is likely the case - 05/11/2010 03:26:46 PM 1375 Views
it is exactly the same thing you're just trying to dance around the issue - 05/11/2010 06:31:26 AM 1378 Views
saying something does not make it true - 05/11/2010 12:17:00 PM 1331 Views
what choices are you being denied? - 05/11/2010 02:59:00 PM 1170 Views
well I can't buy my kid a happy meal with toy in it - 05/11/2010 04:43:44 PM 1172 Views
The metric system rocks *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:18:29 AM 782 Views
Good! *NM* - 04/11/2010 09:36:21 AM 777 Views
I wouldn't touch the metric system with a 1.038m pole *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:47:51 AM 782 Views
You mean 3.048m (10 feet) *NM* - 04/11/2010 05:22:58 PM 716 Views
Yes...don't know where I got 1.038m from *NM* - 05/11/2010 01:24:21 AM 727 Views
The law is just fighting a small symptom of a much bigger problem - 04/11/2010 11:24:19 AM 1497 Views
yes - 04/11/2010 11:47:47 AM 1541 Views
make something idiot-proof and we'll just make better idiots... - 05/11/2010 06:33:54 AM 1197 Views
100% agree, in respect to this and other related subjects. - 04/11/2010 01:42:32 PM 1452 Views
why do you think Wendy's is more healthy than McDonalds? - 05/11/2010 04:30:54 AM 1410 Views
it's not MUCH more healthy. - 05/11/2010 12:00:31 PM 1211 Views
I don't think the toy is that big of a draw for kids, really. - 04/11/2010 05:11:10 PM 1240 Views
The toys were a definite draw for mine - 05/11/2010 08:20:05 AM 1283 Views
Perhaps - 05/11/2010 07:41:17 PM 1406 Views
Here in Aus we have fruit bags, and water etc. options for Happy Meals - 04/11/2010 12:32:16 PM 1236 Views
The healthier variety is starting to become more common in kids meals. - 04/11/2010 12:50:44 PM 1354 Views
milk or juice have ALWAYS been options, and every mcdonalds i've been to has offered the apples. *NM* - 04/11/2010 01:36:34 PM 708 Views
Too bad milk and juice are horrible choices too. *NM* - 04/11/2010 10:54:36 PM 785 Views
uhmm, bullshit. - 04/11/2010 11:39:09 PM 1431 Views
Juice is nothing but sugar and milk as healthy is debatable. - 05/11/2010 12:37:34 AM 1391 Views
juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 02:11:12 AM 1361 Views
I'm not talking about juicing vegetables and fresh fruit. - 05/11/2010 03:06:54 AM 1309 Views
no it was not clear. You merely said "Juice" - 05/11/2010 03:16:01 AM 1376 Views
Milk is delicious. And it (when low-fat/skim) isn't actively bad for you. - 05/11/2010 03:33:53 AM 1151 Views
I know, but...just...EW. - 05/11/2010 03:43:49 AM 1454 Views
but it is yummy and you make yummy things out of it - 05/11/2010 02:47:37 PM 1160 Views
I like the yummy foods made, I admit. - 05/11/2010 03:35:28 PM 1204 Views
Agreed, as long as it's treated the right way (i.e. not the American way). *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:56:16 AM 713 Views
Please elaborate. - 05/11/2010 01:27:45 PM 1322 Views
I remember the first time I came to Northern America (Canada, then) and tried drinking milk... - 05/11/2010 04:44:01 PM 1404 Views
You can get UHT milk - 05/11/2010 04:47:53 PM 1212 Views
I think what you describe... - 05/11/2010 05:21:35 PM 1344 Views
Indeed it is. - 05/11/2010 05:49:48 PM 1246 Views
How about the water? - 05/11/2010 06:24:09 PM 1184 Views
No idea... didn't really notice anything there. - 05/11/2010 06:40:16 PM 1303 Views
Tap water in Philly tasted sooo much like chlorine - 08/11/2010 11:43:36 AM 1315 Views
No UHT in Scandinavia, though - 05/11/2010 06:34:17 PM 1362 Views
Oh yeah, that UHT milk is evil. *NM* - 05/11/2010 09:30:35 PM 732 Views
OK. My bad. - 05/11/2010 04:11:53 AM 1469 Views
Re: juice is not just sugar. - 05/11/2010 01:11:06 PM 1275 Views
so what do you think kids should drink? - 05/11/2010 04:28:36 AM 1313 Views
Do this little experiment. Please. - 05/11/2010 12:53:49 PM 1198 Views
that is why my kids drinks milk or water and not juice 99% of time - 05/11/2010 02:03:08 PM 1264 Views
Of course! - 05/11/2010 02:11:35 PM 1382 Views
I am fighting my wife right now over the yogurt in a tube crap - 05/11/2010 02:35:41 PM 1172 Views
Ok did some math. - 05/11/2010 04:35:48 PM 1457 Views
she buys Horizon which is 57 grams 10 of which are sugar - 05/11/2010 05:16:22 PM 1266 Views
I'm with you on this one. *NM* - 05/11/2010 12:37:59 PM 706 Views
it is - 04/11/2010 02:11:44 PM 1481 Views
This is pretty stupid. - 04/11/2010 02:13:17 PM 1382 Views
That part was a bit of hyperbole, I'm afraid. *NM* - 04/11/2010 03:01:52 PM 735 Views
Not very much! - 04/11/2010 03:04:58 PM 1263 Views
And - 04/11/2010 03:17:34 PM 1423 Views
Re: And - 04/11/2010 03:27:12 PM 1394 Views
You know what? - 04/11/2010 03:35:54 PM 1118 Views
I feel so exploited now - 04/11/2010 03:31:26 PM 1550 Views
*dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:35:08 PM 1150 Views
Re: *dons detective hat* Very interesting... - 04/11/2010 03:57:04 PM 1387 Views
Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:02:54 PM 1280 Views
Re: Another hint - 04/11/2010 04:23:28 PM 1359 Views
Ah, Republicans and sex scandals. They go together like beer and kebabs, - 04/11/2010 04:29:19 PM 1193 Views
So, that would make him mexican? *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:54:03 PM 715 Views
Hmm - 04/11/2010 04:27:00 PM 1224 Views
40 hours? Really? - 06/11/2010 06:59:57 PM 1338 Views
Wow. *NM* - 04/11/2010 11:56:45 PM 720 Views
No kidding. *NM* - 05/11/2010 03:08:20 AM 687 Views
All we need is for someone else to pay for our national defense and we can do it *NM* - 04/11/2010 04:16:28 PM 803 Views
That makes me even less likely to enjoy those last 8 hours. - 09/11/2010 03:12:53 PM 1222 Views
They should ban something which may have effect instead. - 04/11/2010 02:27:05 PM 1412 Views
The toys do have effect. It's a positive reinforcer to eating the meal. - 04/11/2010 10:57:49 PM 1149 Views
So it's back to being a small cheeseburger meal then? *NM* - 04/11/2010 02:30:34 PM 755 Views
What a bunch of morons. - 04/11/2010 06:45:31 PM 1434 Views
these are the same people who keep sending Pelosi back year after year *NM* - 04/11/2010 06:49:16 PM 597 Views
I accidentally posted this in the wrong spot. I reposted below to the original thread. - 04/11/2010 11:22:32 PM 1372 Views
Re: - 05/11/2010 12:02:41 AM 1207 Views
I'm not sure what your point is. - 05/11/2010 12:42:14 AM 1156 Views
That fast food is not inherently bad/unhealthy. - 05/11/2010 01:16:51 AM 1351 Views
Many here don't seem to understand the purpose of the toy. - 05/11/2010 12:43:27 AM 1402 Views
I think you should assume we're not idiots - 05/11/2010 02:05:51 AM 1225 Views
I never said anybody was an idiot. - 05/11/2010 04:09:51 AM 1563 Views
kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 04:37:43 AM 1480 Views
This. - 05/11/2010 02:00:32 PM 1152 Views
Re: kids of the happy meal age should not be deciding what they get to eat - 05/11/2010 06:27:21 PM 1326 Views
Your overly-simplified psychology is wrong - 05/11/2010 01:58:55 PM 1379 Views
raw milk is banned because of the potential of illness. - 05/11/2010 06:20:01 PM 1325 Views
You miss my point (or helped me make it) - 05/11/2010 07:58:59 PM 1199 Views
because raw milk SALE AND DISTRIBUTION does not only affect the individual. - 05/11/2010 08:37:10 PM 1484 Views
Excuse me, I have a degree in psychology and I have oversimplified nothing. - 05/11/2010 06:42:24 PM 1474 Views
Like others have said... - 05/11/2010 08:03:09 PM 1394 Views
Jesus Christ. Are you daft or what? - 05/11/2010 11:04:41 PM 1185 Views
silly rabbit, science is for suckers!! - 06/11/2010 12:28:31 AM 1272 Views
psychology is a pseudoscience - 10/11/2010 07:13:52 PM 2031 Views
Well - 06/11/2010 07:27:51 PM 1469 Views
As a mother of a Wongy Junior all of 9 years... - 08/11/2010 03:07:00 AM 1471 Views
if they wanted to have a real impact they would ban drive throughs *NM* - 05/11/2010 04:39:52 AM 727 Views
My opinion: This is bad form. - 05/11/2010 01:18:25 PM 1294 Views
oO but that's what's so AMAZINGLY DELICIOUS about soda.. - 06/11/2010 02:02:45 AM 1335 Views
Yet again government not letting people make their own decisions - 10/11/2010 03:01:15 AM 1451 Views

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