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I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM
The laws of physics only apply within the universe. Trying to apply them "outside" or "before" the universe is simply nonsensical, because those spatial and temporal concepts only exist as part of the universe.

So you choose to believe in option 2, the eternal universe? It's as valid an interpretation as any other.

It's irrational to believe in something without a reason, i.e. evidence (or a logical proof whose assumptions fit known evidence). No evidence or logic suggests the universe has any human characteristics (or cat characteristics, just to be thorough), so there is no reason to believe that.

For the record, I tend to agree that the universe is not innately human- or cat-like. However, I find it just as irrational to believe that the universe has always existed or that it sprang from nothing. No evidence or logic supports those theories either.
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Is NASA set to reveal on Thursday signs of possible extraterrestial life within the solar system? Larry - 30/11/2010 03:49:40 AM 1195 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 04:43:15 AM 651 Views
crap! I will be watching this! dacole - 30/11/2010 05:04:58 AM 795 Views
Goddammit Wikileaks get on this *NM* beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 05:05:19 AM 326 Views
There's no one to smear, why would wikileaks be interested? *NM* Macharius - 30/11/2010 01:45:58 PM 313 Views
photsynthesis using arsnic hmm I am going to have to check this out dacole - 30/11/2010 05:07:22 AM 788 Views
If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. Tom - 30/11/2010 05:12:38 AM 687 Views
Re: If there is life in the solar system then it is likely a natural development in the universe. dacole - 30/11/2010 05:18:05 AM 855 Views
Seems to put atheists in a bit of a catch-22 there. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 05:54:25 AM 810 Views
Bwa? Craig - 30/11/2010 06:45:33 AM 740 Views
Sorry, yeah. That is not my position. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:03:17 AM 734 Views
The best will be when we find other intelligent life beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:32:35 PM 648 Views
Well, I don't actually agree with the first part of your Catch-22. At least, not entirely. Tom - 30/11/2010 02:43:13 PM 777 Views
Using anthropomorphic terms to describe the universe only reflects on you, not on the universe. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 07:31:04 PM 331 Views
What an arbitrary and meaningless statement. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:52:13 PM 269 Views
Anthropomorphizing concepts is a cognitive bias. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/11/2010 11:19:23 PM 644 Views
Only given a certain metaphysical framework. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 12:18:09 AM 688 Views
Mind dumbing that down a bit? Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:43:47 AM 626 Views
I think he is saying Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:26:34 AM 818 Views
That ain't not a lot simpler Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:35:38 AM 753 Views
Yes. Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:44:41 AM 718 Views
In short, demanding that everyone use your particular worldview is unfair. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:26 AM 742 Views
Those worldviews are unsupported by empirical evidence. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 01:41:27 AM 827 Views
No worldviews are supported by empirical evidence. *NM* ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:57:23 AM 311 Views
Empiricism is unsupported by empirical evidence. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 02:21:52 AM 276 Views
Empirical evidence is the only objective standard. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 02:59:18 AM 686 Views
Empirical evidence cannot fully explain reality. ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:28:41 AM 779 Views
Re: Question (use google now!): what's the net energy of the universe? Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:35:57 AM 705 Views
Re: Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:45:22 AM 897 Views
Re: Re: ranagrande - 01/12/2010 04:04:38 AM 692 Views
Time does not exist separately from space, as Einstein demonstrated almost a century ago. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:36:56 AM 773 Views
I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet ranagrande - 01/12/2010 03:56:38 AM 1036 Views
Re: I have my own theories about time, but they're not ready for presentation yet Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 04:30:44 AM 1078 Views
Yes. I know what empiricism is. Ghavrel - 01/12/2010 05:17:05 AM 998 Views
Re: You are a smart person. Gaps - 01/12/2010 03:09:13 AM 673 Views
Thanks. Dreaded Anomaly - 01/12/2010 03:30:46 AM 911 Views
Interesting. I agree with what you're saying, actually. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 07:49:51 PM 619 Views
It won't change the argument in the least. Dannymac - 01/12/2010 05:26:16 AM 812 Views
I have the feeling it's probably not going to be that. Ghavrel - 30/11/2010 06:02:48 AM 701 Views
Ohh, exciting! ironclad - 30/11/2010 08:37:32 AM 661 Views
noooo! Yunalesca - 30/11/2010 10:19:27 AM 617 Views
Boring primitive things would be cool. Darth_Katie - 30/11/2010 02:54:10 PM 655 Views
Hey, there's a name I recognize, "Iron Lisa" Isaac - 30/11/2010 09:25:01 AM 757 Views
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE beetnemesis - 30/11/2010 02:33:30 PM 716 Views
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords. *NM* ranagrande - 30/11/2010 02:35:04 PM 278 Views
"I, for one, welcome our new INSECT overlords"! Isaac - 01/12/2010 12:40:27 AM 696 Views
but we don't know if they're insects yet! ranagrande - 01/12/2010 12:55:52 AM 638 Views
I'll not bow to any mere Bacterial Overlords, Eukaryote Overlords only!!! *NM* Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:02:20 AM 285 Views
So you're prejudiced against the nuclearly challenged? ranagrande - 01/12/2010 01:09:57 AM 653 Views
It's this kind of blind adherence to political correctness that is tearing us apart! Darth_Katie - 01/12/2010 01:28:39 AM 630 Views
Down right genocidal toward them Isaac - 01/12/2010 01:31:47 AM 629 Views
Genocide is a bit extreme ranagrande - 01/12/2010 02:13:18 AM 662 Views
They had better have a green man *NM* Camilla - 30/11/2010 10:45:56 AM 249 Views
Because you need somebody to attack Aginor and Balthamel? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:23 AM 252 Views
Oh no you didn't *NM* Camilla - 01/12/2010 01:14:55 AM 256 Views
Seriously. Craig - 01/12/2010 01:26:54 AM 618 Views
Re: But then you got turned on just thinking about the phrase? Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:23:02 AM 719 Views
I'm actually a tiny bit giddy about this. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 01/12/2010 01:04:49 AM 265 Views
Re: Arsenic. *NM* Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:09:51 AM 280 Views
Re: Perhaps just as awesomely: Gaps - 01/12/2010 02:21:35 AM 768 Views
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