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I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel Send a noteboard - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM
Palin should be apologizing for 'targeting' certain districts because the representative in one of those districts was shot by a crazy man. Palin should not be, in any way, defending herself when being attacked by Liberals who are laying the blame solely at her feet with no evidence beyond the circumstantial in support of the accusation. (And the last is my understanding of the phrase 'blood libel' as used by Palin, which in this context would make perfect sense)

I wonder what would happen if I posted on facebook or made a website that said, "Someone should do something about China" And Russia nuked them 10 months later.

Try re-reading what the Representative said, which I only just found out was during an interview about her office being torn up after a self appointed militia leader urged people to throw bricks through the windows of everyone who voted for healthcare. She didn't object to the use of the word "target" but did worry about the "consequences" of images with her district and others in crosshairs. The interviewer pooh poohed the notion there could be ANY connection between her vandalized office and all the hatred and militance stirred up in the past two years, dismissed the idea anything bad could come of her district being shown in a gunsight. Her place of business was attacked and then she was shot; don't you think there MIGHT be something to her suggestion that all the vitriolic rhetoric and violent language against her played a role? I'll make the same suggestion to you that I did to Palin: Go to her hospital room and accuse her of "blood libel" to her face. Yeah, I'm sure that now that Giffords is out of her medically induced coma and recovering from the surgery to remove part of her skull so she didn't die she feels just awful about what SHE'S done to poor Sarah.... :rolleyes:

Try your little FB experiment with a US Congressmans name in place of Chinas and see how long it takes the Secret Service to call.... 8}
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2135 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? Camilla - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 994 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1164 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... Legolas - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1209 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". Joel - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1167 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already Isaac - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1531 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. Legolas - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1068 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either Isaac - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1096 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Legolas - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 990 Views
Oh please don't you start to random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 937 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. Legolas - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1125 Views
it was used here and nobody commented random thoughts - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1006 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here Isaac - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1049 Views
It's funny you should say that... Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1092 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1236 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1170 Views
When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM 901 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1073 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1112 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal Isaac - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1167 Views
I never said it was. Joel - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1258 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 930 Views
but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM 976 Views
I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely. Legolas - 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM 1093 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1080 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. Legolas - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1055 Views
The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM 957 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1139 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1178 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. Joel - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1321 Views
That means precisely nothing Isaac - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1023 Views
It means everything. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1268 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic Chas - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 874 Views
There are two points: Joel - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1082 Views
I don't agree, but I understand. *NM* Chas - 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM 514 Views
Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM 1061 Views
I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM 1092 Views
Re: It means everything. Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 907 Views
That's simply illogical. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1292 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1159 Views
Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM 1023 Views
I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM* random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM 504 Views
I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM 1057 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1108 Views
Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM 1000 Views
yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM 1077 Views
I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM 1388 Views
It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM 1036 Views
I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM 1080 Views
so in other words you again missed the point random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1014 Views
Well, one of us did. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM 1148 Views
so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM 769 Views
I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM 1216 Views
So I am a little confused on something... MightyYT - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1155 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this Joel - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1295 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... MightyYT - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1029 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1047 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Isaac - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1107 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 920 Views
No, they don't Isaac - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1119 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1218 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said Isaac - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1051 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) Joel - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1109 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity Isaac - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1192 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? Joel - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1171 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 997 Views
I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM 933 Views
way to dodge the point again random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM 970 Views
Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM 1036 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* Isaac - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1014 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1030 Views
There is no point Isaac - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1068 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. Joel - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1317 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1338 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1077 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 999 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1022 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1010 Views
That first line is says it all. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1092 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1201 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". Joel - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1090 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1095 Views
YOU are cherry picking. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1032 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... Shannow - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1312 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1141 Views
Yeah, your first was better Isaac - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 953 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1106 Views
And I call bullshit Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1235 Views
If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM 1198 Views
So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin? Shannow - 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM 1088 Views
don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM 507 Views
No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM 1176 Views
Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM 592 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. Tom - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1039 Views
Pretty much. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1098 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* Tashmere - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 505 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 1045 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 474 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 989 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 514 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1181 Views
Took you this long, huh? Macharius - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 929 Views
I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM 1269 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 962 Views
I'm just curious. callandor1000 - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 919 Views
Re: I'm just curious. Camilla - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1075 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 953 Views
like I said a matter of faith random thoughts - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 935 Views
I find it interesting... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1088 Views
I mention her looks solely because... callandor1000 - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 978 Views
Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM 1224 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). Joel - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1142 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 964 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? Joel - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1018 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 951 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1059 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't random thoughts - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 857 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. Joel - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 953 Views
only in your does the connection exisit random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 995 Views
No. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1077 Views
dude wake up random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1204 Views
Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations. Joel - 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM 1208 Views
So in your opinion... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 945 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? Joel - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 992 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? Cannoli - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1282 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. Joel - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1119 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner random thoughts - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1064 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1153 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 935 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit Joel - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 982 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 930 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? Joel - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1260 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 1002 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 964 Views
it was the national democrats random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1068 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1331 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue random thoughts - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 974 Views
"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM 948 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. Jacob - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1125 Views
Exactly. *NM* Avendesora - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 557 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 867 Views
You missed the point, obviously. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 973 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1051 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated Isaac - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 897 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* Jacob - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 538 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1136 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. Camilla - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1160 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1201 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. dart_board - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1145 Views
We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact Joel - 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM 1120 Views
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