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And I call bullshit Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM
Calling that fear "blood libel" while she's lying in a hospital bed is blaming the victim in my book. Giffords saw that Palins words COULD motivate this even if there happens to be no other connection with the attempt to murder her;

She was full of it - this was pure political rhetoric trying to score points against Republicans. If she was genuinely afraid of such an improbable outcome, she is too chickenshit to be in national politics, and her shooting would be more of a Darwin Award sort of thing (How about some security precautions? Maybe don't go out in public rallies if you are genuinely afraid of your life, until or unless you get some better security. A few years ago, back before 9-11, I read in an article somewhere that all Congressmen are entitled to at least a bodyguard from some federal agency or other (FBI or Marshall service maybe) but almost none of them take advantage of it. The anticipated threat was kidnapping and holding a Congressman for ransom, but I find it hard to believe that a Democrat with genuine security concerns could not obtain protection from a Democratic administration.

The fact that her baselss rhetorical chicken-little act intended to score political points coincided with a result in no way implicates Palin et al, or spreads any of the blame from a man who gives absolutely no evidence of being influenced by her.

Palin STILL can't see it. That doesn't make her responsible for this attack, though if she keeps up with the same rhetoric it seems like only a matter of time, but if she can't see a danger in hindsight that Giffords saw ten months ago it DOES mean she lacks the judgement to lead. Accusing a woman who was almost killed of maligning her is just shameful.
Unlike Gabby's accusaitons, Palin's complaint is justified. Giffords WAS maligning her, and her unrelated shooting neither makes her right, nor Palin wrong. Palin had nothing to do with this, but you don't like her and you find the fact that she refuses to be silenced by the injury to someone this country is, lets's face it, better off without her in Congress annoying, so you have strung together this absurd and fuzzy line of reasoning why Palin should shut up. It doesn't matter how many people are dead or injured (and why is all the attention being paid to Giffords whom we are constantly being reassured of how well she is recuperating, when an actual federal judge is DEAD? Because he was a Bush appointee, and there is no stick with which to beat Palin, Beck and company in his murder), it is still wrong to falsely accuse anyone in their deaths, and it is cowardly to attemtpt to silence political speech, especially political dissent, in the name of an unrelated victim.
Cannoli
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2135 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 993 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1164 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1209 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1167 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1531 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1068 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1096 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 990 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 937 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1125 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1006 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1049 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1092 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1073 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1112 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1166 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1258 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 930 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1080 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1055 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1139 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1178 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1321 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1022 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1268 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 873 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1082 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 907 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1291 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1159 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1108 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1155 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1295 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1029 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1046 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1106 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 919 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1119 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1218 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1051 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1109 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1192 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1171 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1014 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1030 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1068 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1317 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1338 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1076 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 999 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1022 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1009 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1092 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1201 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1090 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1095 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1032 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1312 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1141 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 952 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1106 Views
And I call bullshit - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1235 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1039 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1098 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 505 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 474 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 989 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 514 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1181 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 929 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 962 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 919 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1074 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 953 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 935 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1087 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 977 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1142 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 964 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1018 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 951 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1059 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 857 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 953 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 995 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1077 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1204 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 945 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 991 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1282 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1119 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1125 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 556 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 867 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 973 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1051 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 896 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 538 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1136 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1159 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1200 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1145 Views

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