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Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM
Try your little FB experiment with a US Congressmans name in place of Chinas and see how long it takes the Secret Service to call.... 8}

Probably never - the secret service does not guard congressmen

Bobby Kennedy had two Secret Service agents guarding him the night he was murdered (allegations neither was in the room at the time provide much grist for conspiracy theories, but since I can't vet the allegations I'm not prepared to say either way).

They were presidential candidates, placing them under the Secret Service. There position as members of congress was irrelevant, they guard the First Lady too, were she a senator they would guard her, because she was the first lady. They will guard governors, congressmen, children, if they happen to be POTUS, VP, or relatives. They have authority for a few other obvious cases as well. I've no idea why you are going on about RFK, but incidentally they could guard him as both a POTUS candidate and as a relative of a former POTUS.

I referenced him because he was a member of Congress, not President, which I believe Cannoli is right in saying is at least as relevant as his relationship to a President, that Secret Service protection is available to all Congressmen by request (IIRC they only gave it to Senator Obama after he requested it during the campaign). Congressmens safety is very much under their jurisdiction; who else would be responsible, the local police?
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McCain and Obama both had Secret Service protection throughout the campaign, as did all the candidates, and you can bet if someone makes a public threat against a Congressman the Secret Service will be all over it. But, again, if you're so sure they don't mind, feel free to post something to test your theory.

No, they would be all over a threat to a presidential candidate...g et your jurisdictions straight, and what theory of mine are you talking about that I should test? If the Secret Service becomes aware of a threat, they can pass it on to the proper jurisdiction but its not theirs. They are law enforcers, so I doubt they'd idly ignore a threat to anyone that came across their radar, but it has nothing to do with their status as a member of the legislative branch.

I referenced RFK because he was a member of Congress, not President, which I believe Cannoli is right in saying is at least as relevant as his relationship to a President, that Secret Service protection is available to all Congressmen by request (IIRC they only gave it to Senator Obama after he requested it during the campaign). Congressmens safety is very much under their jurisdiction; are you seriously saying that if they knew of a credible threat to a member of the federal government they'd just call the local police and leave it to them? Can you imagine the political firestorm and bureaucratic scandal if Sheriff Lobo wasn't up to the task, either screwed it up or couldn't get there before an professional assassin? If so, that's the theory I suggested you test: Like I told the last guy, if you think a public threat against a Congressmen is no big deal, try making one and see how that ends for you. Something tells me you're not going to make that mistake any more than he did, which speaks volumes about how firmly you believe it's a trivial matter.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2093 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? Camilla - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 942 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. Joel - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1122 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... Legolas - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1167 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". Joel - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1111 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already Isaac - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1477 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. Legolas - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1020 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either Isaac - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1049 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Legolas - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1041 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 950 Views
Oh please don't you start to random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 893 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. Legolas - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1077 Views
it was used here and nobody commented random thoughts - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 958 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here Isaac - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1005 Views
It's funny you should say that... Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1048 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). Joel - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1174 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1125 Views
When and where did I say that? The ultimate victim is America, but six members of it just died. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:24:27 PM 853 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1027 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1071 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal Isaac - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1111 Views
I never said it was. Joel - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1211 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. Legolas - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 889 Views
but is he accussed of being a tasteless moron who doesn't know what it means? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:28:03 PM 933 Views
I don't know, if I have to judge him based on that one article, then tasteless moron, absolutely. Legolas - 19/01/2011 06:14:43 PM 1045 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1032 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. Legolas - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1010 Views
The peole who called her stupid for using the term didn't know it was so wide spread either random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:33:19 PM 911 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1095 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. Isaac - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1129 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. Joel - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1275 Views
That means precisely nothing Isaac - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 963 Views
It means everything. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1224 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic Chas - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 830 Views
There are two points: Joel - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1036 Views
I don't agree, but I understand. *NM* Chas - 19/01/2011 10:14:13 PM 493 Views
Giffords' statements and Palins are matters of public record; they're indisputable. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:34:53 PM 1014 Views
I must say, if more people on both sides could say that we'd all be better for it. Joel - 20/01/2011 04:32:55 AM 1044 Views
Re: It means everything. Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 861 Views
That's simply illogical. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1246 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1118 Views
Your inability/unwillingness to follow basic and clearly delineated logic is not my failing. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:19:31 AM 979 Views
I admit I can't follow gnome logic *NM* random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:50:22 AM 482 Views
I demonstrated the connection, whether or not you choose to look the other way. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:28 PM 1010 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1065 Views
Giffords said Palins crosshairs imagery would have "consequences"; Palin calls the suggestion libel. Joel - 18/01/2011 08:54:45 PM 957 Views
yes but the only consequences is liberals using them to slander Palin random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:58:35 PM 1033 Views
I read Toms reply; I don't think he exactly vindicated your position, nor meant to do so. Joel - 20/01/2011 01:52:37 AM 1342 Views
It was an example of blaming the victim, a phrase you keep misusing random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:28:21 PM 989 Views
I thought you said only liberals blinded by political bias committed that grave sin. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:47:09 PM 1034 Views
so in other words you again missed the point random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 970 Views
Well, one of us did. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:24:35 PM 1102 Views
so lets be clear do you or don't you understand what it means to "blame the vicitm"? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 10:03:48 PM 721 Views
I understand it well; can we be equally clear you say the victim here is Palin? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:44:08 PM 1169 Views
So I am a little confused on something... MightyYT - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1109 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this Joel - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1248 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... MightyYT - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 988 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Joel - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1004 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. Isaac - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1060 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 877 Views
No, they don't Isaac - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1074 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1156 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said Isaac - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1010 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) Joel - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1046 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity Isaac - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1104 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? Joel - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1127 Views
really because people post that kind of crap daily and nothing happens random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:57:52 PM 953 Views
I thought waterboarding was OK and any suggestion to the contrary was terrorist sympathizing. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:54:05 PM 890 Views
way to dodge the point again random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:34:33 PM 919 Views
Do you have an example of a credible threat of injury to a Congressman, or calls for one? Joel - 20/01/2011 10:02:53 PM 990 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* Isaac - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 973 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. Joel - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 989 Views
There is no point Isaac - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1021 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. Joel - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1269 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. Dragonsoul - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1287 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1030 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 954 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. Joel - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 981 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 970 Views
That first line is says it all. Joel - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1051 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1160 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". Joel - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1045 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1046 Views
YOU are cherry picking. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 983 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... Shannow - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1265 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. Dannymac - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1094 Views
Yeah, your first was better Isaac - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 910 Views
Again, I don't think Palin intended this, but Giffords feared ten months ago that this could result. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:29:19 PM 1061 Views
And I call bullshit Cannoli - 18/01/2011 03:12:13 PM 1191 Views
If Palin wants to accuse Giffords of libel she should have the guts to do it to her face. Joel - 18/01/2011 10:39:07 PM 1153 Views
So if some jihadist shot Gifford, would you also blame Palin? Shannow - 19/01/2011 02:52:42 PM 1039 Views
don't get ti doesn't matter who is to blame it just matters if they can use it *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 04:11:09 PM 486 Views
No, I'd blame the shooter first and the mullahs shouting, "JIHAD111" second, as I always do. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:11:33 AM 1134 Views
Then why are you even here? I pretty much agree with you entirely and I'm fairly liberal. *NM* Elaine - 18/01/2011 01:16:33 PM 570 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. Tom - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 992 Views
Pretty much. Joel - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1054 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* Tashmere - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 485 Views
I didn't realize someone had, but it appears a militia leader was responsible (shocking, I know). Joel - 17/01/2011 07:04:08 AM 996 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 454 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 940 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 493 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". Joel - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1132 Views
Took you this long, huh? Macharius - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 889 Views
I didn't want to look because I was afraid the charges against the far right demagogues might stick. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:07:26 PM 1222 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy random thoughts - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 919 Views
I'm just curious. callandor1000 - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 880 Views
Re: I'm just curious. Camilla - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1028 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 903 Views
like I said a matter of faith random thoughts - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 894 Views
I find it interesting... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1044 Views
I mention her looks solely because... callandor1000 - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 931 Views
Had that convo with the cab driver on the way home from a New Years party. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:42:07 PM 1175 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). Joel - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1102 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 915 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? Joel - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 972 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you random thoughts - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 904 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1017 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't random thoughts - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 818 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. Joel - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 905 Views
only in your does the connection exisit random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 947 Views
No. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1028 Views
dude wake up random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1160 Views
Fine, I have no problem dropping the "right" label in my condemnations. Joel - 20/01/2011 10:39:34 PM 1149 Views
So in your opinion... Jeordam - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 900 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? Joel - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 944 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? Cannoli - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1238 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. Joel - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1074 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner random thoughts - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1014 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. Joel - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1113 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right random thoughts - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 892 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit Joel - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 929 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' Isaac - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 883 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? Joel - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1213 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state random thoughts - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 960 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 918 Views
it was the national democrats random thoughts - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1019 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1287 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue random thoughts - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 930 Views
"WE aren't doing it, except for when we are". Admission of guilt is a poor defense. Joel - 20/01/2011 03:25:16 AM 908 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. Jacob - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1082 Views
Exactly. *NM* Avendesora - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 536 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox Isaac - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 826 Views
You missed the point, obviously. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 933 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO random thoughts - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1006 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated Isaac - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 857 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* Jacob - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 519 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. Joel - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1086 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. Camilla - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1113 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. Joel - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1160 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. dart_board - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1099 Views
We can debate whether it's coincidental, but the connections are documented fact Joel - 22/01/2011 08:17:24 PM 1073 Views
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