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I thought you were the real vicitim random thoughts Send a noteboard - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM
I even referenced that article earlier in this thread, forgot we'd had it up here, 400 views and 64 replies and not one outraged remarked about the title.

or clever, rather, the way you suggest that somehow there are large amounts of "outraged remarks" in this thread when Palin says it, as contrasted to when the other guy did it - when of course that isn't the case at all. Joel himself is the only person you could conceivably count as having made such remarks, and you'll note his post title suggests that his irritation was caused by having heard the term used repeatedly, rather than by Palin alone. Like me, he replied in the other thread not with comments specific to the article posted there, but about the topic as a whole - and at that time, the use of the "blood libel" term hadn't become a big issue in the media yet.

One or two instances could just be hyperbole, and you know I have no problem with hyperbole as rhetorical emphasis; that's its function. However, when we begin taking it literally, well, the danger of figurative imagery taken literally should be evident by now. Also, I hadn't dug into the incident or its background much then, deliberately avoided doing so, because I knew it would cost me any objectivity and run the risk of discovering there might actually BE reason to think the guy influenced by right wing demgaguery (as, indeed, I think there is). Bad enough that I had to debate whether Hitler was a liberal and deal with "how dare the left call this horrible man a conservative when he's CLEARLY a liberal!" (the US has many politicians more liberal than Gabrielle Giffords, but the home of Goldwater and McCain sure as hell doesn't).

Now it's different, because I know what, most people, including Palin, seemed to miss: The attack on Giffords and the other victims was linked to crosshairs used at Palins website not because of bias or unvetted reporting, but because BEFORE the shooting Giffords herself had referenced those images and the "consequences" they threatened. That means she originated the objections to those images, which in turn means calling it "blood libel" is an accusation against her directly. I don't think Palin intended to accuse one of the victims any more than she intended the shootings, but that's the problem with politicians "shooting from the hip" (if I may use the term): It's very endearing and humanizing to voters if you look natural rather than rehearsed, but it also risks looking like a fool when you opine about things nearly everyone knows more about than you do. Again, I don't think for a second she intended someone to go on a shooting spree, but I do think her language helped create an environment that incited an already unstable and violent man to do something awful. Likewise, I don't think she intended to accuse one of the victims of libel, but if she'd spent the four days between the shootings and her comments checking Giffords' history rather than just making sure there were no direct links between herself and Loughner she wouldn't have made that error as well. Taken together the two are just more in the growing list of reasons why Sarah Palin lacks the judgement to run a hotdog stand, let alone the most powerful nation on Earth.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2135 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 994 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1164 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1211 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1168 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1531 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1068 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1097 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 992 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 937 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1125 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1006 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1049 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1093 Views
Precisely: I noticed, but it hadn't become a rallying cry for "the real victim" (Palin). - 19/01/2011 12:14:48 AM 1236 Views
I thought you were the real vicitim - 19/01/2011 02:49:06 PM 1172 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1074 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1112 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1167 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1258 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 932 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1080 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1055 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1140 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1178 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1323 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1023 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1270 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 874 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1082 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 907 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1292 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1159 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1110 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1157 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1297 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1029 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1047 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1107 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 920 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1121 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1218 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1053 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1109 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1192 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1171 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1014 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1030 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1068 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1317 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1338 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1077 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 1001 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1022 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1010 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1092 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1201 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1090 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1095 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1032 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1312 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1141 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 953 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1039 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1099 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 505 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 475 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 991 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 515 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1181 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 930 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 962 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 919 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1075 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 953 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 935 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1088 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 978 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1142 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 964 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1020 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 951 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1059 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 857 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 953 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 996 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1077 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1204 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 946 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 992 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1282 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1119 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1127 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 557 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 867 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 973 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1053 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 897 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 538 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1136 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1160 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1201 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1145 Views

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