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Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM
I will be happy when you admit that if you admit that political rhetoric from the left was just as likely to have inspired the violence as political rhetoric on the right and all of this was just posturing to make a political point.

By the way saying you also condemn rhetoric on the left while you continue to only attack those on the right for it is a meaningless statement.

Heaven knows I do. I can't really object to using "target" because banning words with only vague or general martial as well as innocuous meanings would make it difficult to identify whom you want to defeat POLITICALLY. Even "winning" and "losing" could fall into that category and become unacceptable election terms, which would obviously be ridiculous. I don't object to using "target" and neither did Giffords; I DO share her objections to combining it with crosshairs, and that goes for bullseyes, too (the latter are used for many things not involving guns but I still consider its violent connotations too great). Dem leaders are spouting violent rhetoric right along with Republicans and both need to stop before they inspire more bloodshed. See how easy it is to say your end of the political spectrum doing it doing it doesn't let mine off the hook? Would you prefer I closed my ears and said, "lalala, all your fault, all your fault... " while ignoring the facts, or is that only OK for Republicans?

Let me be clarify something else I've said but you ignore: It's acceptable, if not necessarily laudable, to be confrontational and argumentitive; it is NOT acceptable to invoke violent hateful imagery toward that end, BECAUSE some nut might take you literally. That and the prospect of law enforcement investigating whether I'M one of those dangerously violent nuts are the reasons I try very hard not to indulge violent rhetoric even when carried away, and think I do a pretty good job, though I don't presume to claim perfection. I have a rather conservative HS teacher and Vice Principal to thank for pointing out, based on real world examples, how dangerous that can be, and the lesson stuck. I don't indulge hatred regardless; that is anathema to everything I believe and while several recent Republican leaders have tested my commitment there, I managed to oppose virtually all their policies without hating them; they're fallible human beings like me and, like me, still one of Gods creatures. It's all fun and games until 19 people get shot, but afterward if not before it's time to banish the violent hateful imagery from our rhetoric.
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OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 16/01/2011 12:18:22 PM 2134 Views
Why are they calling it "blood libel"? - 16/01/2011 12:23:47 PM 993 Views
Because if the facts were as they represent them those words would be applicable. - 16/01/2011 12:49:22 PM 1164 Views
It's not entirely clear to me whether you're aware of this or not, but... - 16/01/2011 01:12:22 PM 1209 Views
That's why I said, "popularized". - 16/01/2011 01:46:52 PM 1167 Views
I think Alan Dershowitz dealt with this nonsense already - 16/01/2011 02:34:10 PM 1531 Views
Interesting. I didn't realize it was so wide-spread. - 16/01/2011 03:10:28 PM 1068 Views
She wasn't even the first to use the term that week either - 16/01/2011 10:10:35 PM 1096 Views
I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 10:18:54 PM 1090 Views
Re: I don't know that "expert" has anything to do with it. - 16/01/2011 11:30:38 PM 990 Views
Oh please don't you start to - 17/01/2011 02:34:43 PM 937 Views
I for one hadn't noticed it before. - 17/01/2011 10:25:57 PM 1125 Views
it was used here and nobody commented - 17/01/2011 10:37:07 PM 1005 Views
LOL, I totally forgot that got posted here - 17/01/2011 10:54:26 PM 1049 Views
It's funny you should say that... - 18/01/2011 10:32:59 PM 1092 Views
Re: It's funny you should say that... - 19/01/2011 03:29:52 PM 1073 Views
It was permissible to ignore until it became a rallying cry. - 20/01/2011 04:27:23 PM 1112 Views
A rallying cry is hardly illegal - 20/01/2011 05:32:45 PM 1166 Views
I never said it was. - 20/01/2011 06:59:39 PM 1258 Views
Oh, I noticed that one alright. - 18/01/2011 10:25:23 PM 930 Views
compared to the way similar terms are used? - 19/01/2011 06:58:02 PM 1080 Views
I meant I hadn't seen it used in different contexts before. - 19/01/2011 07:35:00 PM 1055 Views
Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 10:24:09 PM 1139 Views
Re: Indeed, my response to Legolas references Wikipedias quotation of him. - 16/01/2011 11:09:21 PM 1178 Views
Again, Giffords specifically made the connection between Palins imagery and an attack on her. - 17/01/2011 12:53:08 AM 1321 Views
That means precisely nothing - 17/01/2011 03:59:07 PM 1022 Views
It means everything. - 18/01/2011 08:34:55 PM 1268 Views
I'm trying to understand your logic - 19/01/2011 12:50:28 AM 873 Views
There are two points: - 19/01/2011 02:47:48 AM 1082 Views
Re: It means everything. - 19/01/2011 05:55:02 PM 907 Views
That's simply illogical. - 20/01/2011 01:08:51 AM 1291 Views
the old step one steal underwear step three profit argument - 19/01/2011 06:01:14 PM 1158 Views
that is some twisted and bizarre logic - 17/01/2011 02:38:41 PM 1108 Views
So I am a little confused on something... - 16/01/2011 02:38:59 PM 1155 Views
Palin putting Giffords district in the crosshairs and Giffords implying at the time she feared this - 16/01/2011 11:21:36 PM 1295 Views
If I understand what you are saying correctly... - 17/01/2011 07:07:56 AM 1028 Views
I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 08:33:47 AM 1046 Views
Re: I'm sorry you so badly misunderstand. - 17/01/2011 04:24:01 PM 1106 Views
The Secret Service does guard Congressmen, just not all of them automatically. - 18/01/2011 09:13:39 PM 919 Views
No, they don't - 18/01/2011 10:19:34 PM 1119 Views
Really? Cannoli says differently, and I believe he's right on that one. - 18/01/2011 10:50:51 PM 1218 Views
You seem to be reading what you want to from what I said - 19/01/2011 01:27:32 PM 1051 Views
I read what you said & understood it as you restate here, hence I referenced local police (twice) - 20/01/2011 02:15:17 AM 1109 Views
The problem here is your ignoring normal policing powers to concoct an absurdity - 20/01/2011 04:20:25 PM 1192 Views
More absurd than the notion such incitement warrants no notice? - 20/01/2011 05:42:47 PM 1171 Views
Your shifting your original premise, *again* - 20/01/2011 08:24:18 PM 1014 Views
No, you're simply missing the point of it. - 20/01/2011 11:09:57 PM 1029 Views
There is no point - 21/01/2011 12:22:30 AM 1068 Views
If I had no point I wouldn't bother, but fair enough. - 21/01/2011 01:20:32 AM 1317 Views
Uh...Last I checked conservatives didn't list the Communist Manifesto as a favourite book. - 16/01/2011 03:05:07 PM 1338 Views
You're awesome at missing points, aren't you? - 16/01/2011 07:26:30 PM 1076 Views
where is the accountability for those committing slander? - 17/01/2011 02:52:40 PM 999 Views
Libs hate Mein Kampf and We the Living; conservatives hate the Communist Manifesto: He's neither. - 16/01/2011 10:06:02 PM 1022 Views
conseartives hate Mein Kampf and liberals stil read the Communist Manifesto - 17/01/2011 02:57:22 PM 1009 Views
That first line is says it all. - 18/01/2011 09:34:06 PM 1092 Views
Nazis had more in common with communist then capitalist - 19/01/2011 04:10:09 PM 1201 Views
The founder of fascism called it "the merger of corporate and national power". - 20/01/2011 02:51:09 AM 1089 Views
and that is supposed to mean something? - 20/01/2011 06:06:18 PM 1095 Views
YOU are cherry picking. - 20/01/2011 07:50:21 PM 1031 Views
It is to be expected that this site would be libtard central... - 16/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1312 Views
See my reply to Dragonsoul above. - 16/01/2011 07:30:40 PM 1141 Views
Yeah, your first was better - 16/01/2011 09:48:58 PM 952 Views
Palin didn't really have anything to do with this, but it makes sense she's blamed. - 16/01/2011 10:19:51 PM 1039 Views
Pretty much. - 16/01/2011 11:44:35 PM 1098 Views
Did they ever catch the person(s) that vandalized Gifford's office? *NM* - 17/01/2011 03:30:36 AM 505 Views
politcal offices are vandalized on a regular basis *NM* - 17/01/2011 02:41:29 PM 474 Views
She only asked if they caught the guy, she didn't accuse anyone, Sarah. - 18/01/2011 11:27:18 PM 989 Views
OK Olberman when did I imply otherwise? *NM* - 19/01/2011 02:48:41 PM 514 Views
"Political offices are vandalized on a regular basis". - 20/01/2011 03:16:39 AM 1181 Views
Took you this long, huh? - 17/01/2011 01:53:31 PM 929 Views
I am sick of the desperate attempts of liberals to find a way to use a tragedy - 17/01/2011 02:31:18 PM 962 Views
I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:23:47 PM 919 Views
Re: I'm just curious. - 17/01/2011 03:28:04 PM 1074 Views
I always said I'd do that after Bush was re-elected. - 18/01/2011 11:52:45 PM 952 Views
like I said a matter of faith - 17/01/2011 04:27:51 PM 935 Views
I find it interesting... - 17/01/2011 05:31:54 PM 1087 Views
I mention her looks solely because... - 20/01/2011 02:30:42 PM 977 Views
If slander, not mine, Giffords' (at least you don't err like Palin and say, "libel" ). - 18/01/2011 11:14:23 PM 1142 Views
mark you calendar today is the day Joel offically went around the bend into insanity - 19/01/2011 05:28:06 PM 963 Views
A mirror will show me who's to blame? On whom have I put a crosshairs? - 20/01/2011 03:23:43 AM 1018 Views
so it is all a matter of faith for you - 20/01/2011 05:48:44 AM 951 Views
No, it's fairly straight forward logic. - 20/01/2011 03:25:56 PM 1058 Views
sorry Joel but you haven't - 20/01/2011 03:29:49 PM 857 Views
It's there; in this thread alone people from both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that. - 20/01/2011 05:51:21 PM 953 Views
only in your does the connection exisit - 20/01/2011 06:39:35 PM 995 Views
No. - 20/01/2011 07:35:09 PM 1077 Views
dude wake up - 20/01/2011 08:54:33 PM 1203 Views
So in your opinion... - 17/01/2011 05:27:58 PM 945 Views
How 'bout simply color coding them? - 18/01/2011 11:21:03 PM 991 Views
Why not just blame Giffords? - 17/01/2011 06:07:14 PM 1282 Views
Indeed, why not; Sarah Palin does. - 18/01/2011 06:58:01 PM 1119 Views
The left are the ones storing up hate with their pathetic slaner - 18/01/2011 07:53:23 PM 1064 Views
At least 95% of the blame is Loughners; he's a nut, but that doesn't exonerate the demagogues. - 18/01/2011 11:24:11 PM 1153 Views
0% belongs to political rhetoric from the right - 19/01/2011 02:47:56 PM 934 Views
Uh huh; it's absurd to mention right wing rhetoric when left wing rhetoric is the OBVIOUS culprit - 19/01/2011 02:59:41 PM 982 Views
No leftist rhetoric? You just called a bunch of people 'dangeorus lunatics' - 19/01/2011 03:37:54 PM 930 Views
Rhetoric is one thing, but I didn't use violent imagery, did I? - 20/01/2011 01:40:14 AM 1259 Views
no but the democratic party used very similar images in the same state - 20/01/2011 06:41:19 PM 1002 Views
It's news to me, but I condemn all violent inflammatory imagery and rhetoric. - 20/01/2011 07:13:18 PM 963 Views
it was the national democrats - 20/01/2011 08:32:01 PM 1067 Views
Then that's equally dangerous and reprehensible and more reason to loathe the DLC and DCCC. - 20/01/2011 09:49:08 PM 1331 Views
The right is not the ones claiming rhetoric is the issue - 19/01/2011 03:58:39 PM 974 Views
The irony of this thread is not lost on me. - 19/01/2011 04:09:01 PM 1125 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 19/01/2011 04:51:40 PM 556 Views
Bizarre thread for that Soapbox - 19/01/2011 05:17:58 PM 867 Views
You missed the point, obviously. - 19/01/2011 06:04:23 PM 973 Views
so you are saying it is the same old RAFO - 19/01/2011 06:47:24 PM 1051 Views
The thread has admittedly degenerated - 19/01/2011 07:02:12 PM 896 Views
Check your NB. Noted you a response. *NM* - 19/01/2011 07:04:58 PM 537 Views
That I knew it would go this way is why I avoided looking closely for so long. - 19/01/2011 11:20:44 PM 1136 Views
Hey, now. I have to step in. - 20/01/2011 04:44:49 PM 1159 Views
I'm just saying a significant link can be demonstrated. - 20/01/2011 07:07:27 PM 1200 Views
Re: OK, I'm Officially Sick of the "Blood Libel" BS. - 22/01/2011 05:49:44 PM 1145 Views

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