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Re: Agree Gaps Send a noteboard - 12/04/2011 09:22:22 PM
I find that people whose understanding of reality is close to mine can self-identify as believers, atheists or agnostics and all be very close to one another in their philosophy. I would call myself a "believer" in the sense that I reject the strictest form of atheism, an "agnostic" in terms of affirmative belief with respect to any particular idea or philosophy, and an "atheist" if one is required to adopt a belief system in toto to be a believer.


I was reading _______ a few months ago, and he talked about how the most intelligent Christian theorists he had ever met had truly understood the metaphorical nature of their belief system. These were people at the top of their faith structure, presiding over a organization of materialist, "orthodox" religious followers, and in a lot of ways, they might be considered atheists - but it is about self-identification, not outside classification. And metaphors, or allegories, or whatever you'd like to call them, still contain a lot of power - power which is important, and sometimes, unexplainable.

As to the strictest form of atheism: this is why I find Daoism so powerful or interesting. One of the tenents is: don't use something limited (human understanding or logic) to explain something unlimited (existence, or "the meaning" of existence). It's like trying to use a ruler to measure wind velocity. There's a lot that can't be explained, and it may be because we don't yet have the skills for it yet, or it may be because it's inexplicable because of some other metaphysical/ontological force, and we shouldn't just reject it outright.

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I cannot even copy his manner because the manner of his prose was the manner of his thinking and that was a dazzling succession of gaps; and you cannot ape a gap because you are bound to fill it in somehow or other -- and blot it out in the process. -- Nabokov
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Questions about souls... - 12/04/2011 03:06:54 AM 2429 Views
Re: Questions about souls... - 12/04/2011 03:23:00 AM 1391 Views
All right. - 12/04/2011 05:50:08 AM 1388 Views
Re: Questions about souls... - 12/04/2011 06:27:14 AM 1359 Views
It would really depend on the mechanism - 12/04/2011 06:28:24 AM 1248 Views
You assume we all know, and agree on, what "soul" means. - 12/04/2011 08:42:47 AM 1277 Views
It is what hope, which is a thing with feathers, perches on. - 12/04/2011 07:32:07 PM 1342 Views
But seriously, what does it do? - 12/04/2011 11:01:58 PM 1335 Views
It makes poems pretty. - 13/04/2011 07:00:03 PM 1346 Views
Re: Yeah, exactly. - 15/04/2011 02:43:24 AM 1317 Views
Just going off the 'reborn' thing.. - 12/04/2011 08:53:28 AM 1248 Views
Hm. - 12/04/2011 03:22:01 PM 1357 Views
Agreed. - 12/04/2011 05:49:11 PM 1221 Views
it wouldn't change much for me, but I'm pretty flexible in my spiritual beliefs - 12/04/2011 04:23:34 PM 1372 Views
This. *NM* - 13/04/2011 04:15:11 PM 756 Views
Re: Questions about souls... - 12/04/2011 05:44:53 PM 1492 Views
What a fantasy. - 12/04/2011 07:57:38 PM 1317 Views
What happened to two? *NM* - 12/04/2011 08:20:41 PM 745 Views
Thanks, I fixed it. *NM* - 12/04/2011 08:29:20 PM 720 Views
Your comments, or mine? - 13/04/2011 01:24:53 AM 1816 Views
You get one guess. - 13/04/2011 07:09:01 PM 1513 Views
One dismissive answer deserves another. - 24/04/2011 12:54:44 AM 1380 Views
I'm a Christian who is partial to reincarnation, so I do not think much would change. - 12/04/2011 06:21:36 PM 1311 Views
*is disappointed* *NM* - 12/04/2011 08:01:05 PM 643 Views
You'd be surprised how frequently I get that from both sides. - 12/04/2011 08:22:24 PM 1297 Views
I bet you do! - 12/04/2011 08:47:59 PM 1294 Views
Re: I bet you do! - 13/04/2011 04:02:07 AM 1275 Views
Does it really? - 24/04/2011 01:09:34 AM 1250 Views
OMG! - 14/04/2011 06:19:50 PM 1280 Views
Go expand his worldview. *NM* - 14/04/2011 06:56:03 PM 670 Views
I think we are similar in some respects philosophically. - 13/04/2011 05:59:38 AM 1271 Views
Who says.... - 13/04/2011 07:11:24 PM 1212 Views
So then my question is.... - 13/04/2011 07:08:42 PM 1208 Views
Because I believe that Jesus was an incarnation of the λόγος. - 14/04/2011 12:36:36 AM 1277 Views
*heh* - 14/04/2011 04:12:32 PM 1364 Views
I think I answered it pretty clearly in my post title. *NM* - 14/04/2011 06:59:47 PM 730 Views
Actually, you didn't. - 15/04/2011 12:12:42 AM 1312 Views
Re: Actually, you didn't. - 24/04/2011 09:04:04 AM 1288 Views
I think that, like a lot of other people responding, I would want and need more information. - 12/04/2011 07:13:14 PM 1260 Views
Speaking of the agnostic/atheist thing - 12/04/2011 07:40:04 PM 1316 Views
99% that there is no God... - 12/04/2011 08:08:42 PM 1335 Views
Technically, no, atheists simply lack belief in a God. - 12/04/2011 08:19:15 PM 1298 Views
Whoah there, - 12/04/2011 08:26:43 PM 1278 Views
Okay, I have to admit I wasn't expecting to get called out on that. - 13/04/2011 04:03:08 AM 1370 Views
no I think that's just the literal definition... - 12/04/2011 11:19:18 PM 1184 Views
Isn't that what "technically" would imply? - 13/04/2011 04:04:42 AM 1403 Views
It certainly doesn't mean you can't make conclusions. - 12/04/2011 08:09:41 PM 1388 Views
Re: Campbell: - 12/04/2011 08:42:09 PM 1359 Views
Self-identification is an interesting point here. - 12/04/2011 09:00:46 PM 1303 Views
Re: Agree - 12/04/2011 09:22:22 PM 1309 Views
Answers. - 12/04/2011 09:05:38 PM 1249 Views
That's not a compelling counter-argument for me. - 12/04/2011 11:22:21 PM 1434 Views
Never mind. - 12/04/2011 11:34:46 PM 1233 Views
be sure to post if it does happen *NM* - 12/04/2011 11:56:17 PM 682 Views
Have you had any vivid dreams that came true? - 13/04/2011 01:16:59 AM 1186 Views
My mom used to have dreams like that, usually about relatives. - 13/04/2011 02:25:45 AM 1411 Views
I can easily believe that. - 13/04/2011 06:14:51 AM 1217 Views
Minivans can fit lots of useful stuffs, like furniture. *NM* - 13/04/2011 03:47:04 PM 721 Views
So can gas-guzzling SUVs, and full trucks. *NM* - 13/04/2011 05:13:20 PM 679 Views
for that matter, you can fit a surprising amount even in a baby truck! *NM* - 13/04/2011 06:36:58 PM 655 Views
I'd find it quite comforting - 12/04/2011 07:40:09 PM 1250 Views
Well, as I said in my census form on Sunday - 12/04/2011 08:36:05 PM 1372 Views
Pythagoras was a total nut. - 12/04/2011 10:05:42 PM 1421 Views
True - 12/04/2011 10:13:43 PM 1246 Views
It would upset my belief in science - 12/04/2011 09:39:39 PM 1393 Views
There's so much wrong with that statement. - 12/04/2011 09:55:45 PM 1403 Views
If science proved there really was an Easter Bunny would it affect your believe in science? *NM* - 12/04/2011 10:30:09 PM 770 Views
*is both bored and annoyed* - 12/04/2011 11:03:10 PM 1271 Views
right. - 12/04/2011 11:18:31 PM 1451 Views
and what if science proved that science was false? - 12/04/2011 11:48:32 PM 1345 Views
I think that's kind of the point; it can't. - 13/04/2011 01:33:44 AM 1201 Views
Did you read my original post? - 13/04/2011 03:13:34 AM 1223 Views
I did, yes. - 13/04/2011 03:32:18 AM 1208 Views
Yes it would upset my belief in science, why is that so hard to accept - 13/04/2011 01:56:59 PM 1346 Views
What's a soul? - 12/04/2011 10:51:39 PM 1234 Views
I can only give you my personal take. - 13/04/2011 01:47:39 AM 1370 Views
so did this guy took a railroad spike through the head - 13/04/2011 01:58:52 PM 1392 Views
Nah, he just got someone else's added to him. But now Ruin can influence him. *NM* - 13/04/2011 06:38:31 PM 723 Views
Thanks a lot - 13/04/2011 07:02:29 PM 1244 Views
No. - 23/04/2011 09:15:16 PM 1252 Views
but we know personality can be draticaly altered by physical means - 24/04/2011 03:28:36 AM 1594 Views
"We" don't know that; that's the problem. - 24/04/2011 07:02:49 AM 1419 Views
Can one have an identity without memory? *NM* - 13/04/2011 03:46:16 PM 693 Views
Sure. - 23/04/2011 08:53:51 PM 1085 Views
Re: My question about souls: who will save your souuuuls? *NM* - 13/04/2011 04:04:21 AM 693 Views
I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space - 13/04/2011 04:00:51 PM 1239 Views
Re: I would becoming interested in tracing people's souls across time/space - 14/04/2011 03:29:55 AM 1321 Views
Sorry :-) - 14/04/2011 10:15:30 AM 1314 Views
Interesting concept.... - 13/04/2011 07:28:42 PM 1240 Views
Heh. Loose faith. - 14/04/2011 02:32:27 AM 1225 Views
It kinda still works though....doesn't it? - 14/04/2011 04:14:19 PM 1241 Views
it does work. well in fact! *NM* - 24/04/2011 03:24:25 AM 700 Views
Oooh... - 14/04/2011 04:31:30 AM 1298 Views
Who says..... - 14/04/2011 04:26:31 PM 1358 Views
Wow, thanks for all the responses!! - 14/04/2011 03:42:38 AM 1392 Views

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