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Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM
A pretty obvious parallel to the Birthers would be all the people running around claiming Bush stole the election, fall ways short on the accusation scale that Bush faced over 9/11 and FDR over Pearl Harbor, of being mass murderers of their own people, most presidents get hit by that, Birthers aren't too bad on that scale, and passing a fairly empty but legit law to appease them isn't exactly high on the brutal political maneuvers scale. IMO birthers are wrong and need to get over it, and this bill was mostly pointless, but we've had them for 2 years and moon landing hoax theories and JFK assassination theories for two generations now, plus all the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Mason, Illuminati, New World Order theories and more and more, Elvis Lives theories seemed to have died off finally, that something. These things tend to be harder to kill off than Jason Voorhees and have more lives than a herd of cats, don't waste your attention on them, the most you'll achieve is vindicating other people from the other side of crazy bringing up their own pet theories about whatever bizarre conspiracy they favor. Most people believe in some weird conspiracy or other, sometimes they don't even know its considered fringe - or else they'd not believe it, which is a crappy reason to disbelieve something anyway - they've just heard some evidence and know someone they trust who believes it and never really thought about it much. Most of the people who buy into this stuff are no more crazy than people who think more babies are born on full moons, they heard it somewhere and it struck a chord with them, an awful lot of people think JFK was killed by the CIA or KGB or LBJ or some non-3-letter initial person or group, some are total cranks but most just heard it a lot, last poll I saw on JFK was few years back, 70% believed there was a plot, not a lone gunmen, think it was like 20% for the moon landings being a hoax, I doubt most of those people are crazy or irrational.
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WTF arizona? - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 2185 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 1083 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 988 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 1172 Views
that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 1130 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 943 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 1165 Views
I think everyone's too little - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 1121 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 1049 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 1059 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 990 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 930 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 1023 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 1095 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 1055 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 1036 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 1162 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 1212 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 1139 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 1122 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 1081 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 958 Views
Why is it racist? - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 978 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 1074 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 1091 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 1065 Views
OK I will try to be clearer - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 991 Views
Why should he show it? - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 1030 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 1142 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 1048 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 564 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 492 Views
Actually - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 1105 Views
This - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 966 Views
He already has - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 1077 Views
Don't we already do this? - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 1047 Views
actually there isn't - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 1107 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 1081 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 522 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 1056 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 1231 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 1129 Views
Meh, who cares? - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 1093 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 501 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 517 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 520 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 496 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 1048 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 1040 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 510 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 548 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 1032 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 1085 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 1064 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 1088 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 968 Views
That wasn't the point - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 1024 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 1275 Views
read above, he has. *NM* - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 484 Views
Provided a birth certificate? - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1644 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 1100 Views
No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 1190 Views
Re: No, actually - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 1166 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 1129 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 1146 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 1215 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1353 Views
I think it is for some people. - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 969 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 1033 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 523 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 486 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 1224 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 1141 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 464 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 483 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 465 Views

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