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OK I will try to be clearer random thoughts Send a noteboard - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM
I have lost any interest in debating the semantics of the issue and my point has always been Obama wants this issue. The document Obama produced carries the legal weight of a birth certificate and I will readily admit it all he should be required to produce. If this Arizona law was passed I would unequivocally argue that he had met their requirements. But it is different than the actual birth certificate that was produced in August of 1961. Obama has the ability to release that document but he is not obligated to. I just get tired of him playing the victim for the cameras when he could kill 80-90% of this by simply releasing the document. I get even more tired watching the loonies on the left work themselves into a lather over this none issue. I hear the left discussing this issue way more than anyone on the right discusses it. Hell the press got a woody when they finally found someone the rest of had heard to say they believed he wasn't born in the US. It was just Donald Trump who says loopy stuff all the time but that is no reason not to beat the crazy drum.
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WTF arizona? moondog - 15/04/2011 04:28:19 PM 2186 Views
I think it's more payback than anything else, what exactly are you objecting to anyway? Isaac - 15/04/2011 04:46:17 PM 1085 Views
Yeah, I'm going "wait, they didn't have to do that yet?" here as well. Legolas - 15/04/2011 08:40:44 PM 989 Views
It is a bit of an oversight not to have that Isaac - 15/04/2011 09:41:40 PM 1172 Views
that's because they're morons. LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 03:36:54 AM 1131 Views
Re: that's because they're morons. Isaac - 16/04/2011 04:27:04 AM 945 Views
I wouldn't ACTUALLY hunt boars with a boar spear, but that's because I'm too little LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 04:44:14 AM 1165 Views
I think everyone's too little Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:20:29 PM 1122 Views
it's the spirit, not the letter, of the law that i have a problem with moondog - 15/04/2011 10:19:27 PM 1053 Views
Surprisingly, many politicians are mean-spirited Isaac - 16/04/2011 02:31:37 AM 1061 Views
if any of those examples were legislated by a state house, you'd have a stronger argument.... moondog - 16/04/2011 07:23:49 AM 990 Views
I believe I gave you state examples already Isaac - 16/04/2011 01:55:37 PM 930 Views
it's moot at this point, but.... moondog - 19/04/2011 05:31:29 AM 1025 Views
I can't believe this thread is still going... Isaac - 20/04/2011 12:58:52 AM 1098 Views
I call shenanigans on Seel Stephen - 15/04/2011 04:48:48 PM 1058 Views
really becasue Obama has already produced enough documents to clear this bar random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:04:39 AM 1038 Views
The article is wrong on one key point. Obama has not produced a birth certificate random thoughts - 15/04/2011 04:50:21 PM 1162 Views
Yes he has. Don't act like a fool. Tom - 15/04/2011 05:02:58 PM 1212 Views
sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool random thoughts - 15/04/2011 06:04:19 PM 1140 Views
It's clear that he was born in the US. Tom - 15/04/2011 06:54:28 PM 1125 Views
Care to point out where you believe I was defending them? random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:37:39 PM 1083 Views
You say that Obama hasn't produced a birth certificate, when he has. Tom - 15/04/2011 07:47:54 PM 1026 Views
Re: sorry but it is not the same so don't act like a fool Skeeve the Great - 15/04/2011 10:45:03 PM 959 Views
Why is it racist? random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:49:02 AM 979 Views
What exactly is the difference between certificates? LadyLorraine - 16/04/2011 12:13:04 AM 1075 Views
One is the origianl document and one is a certificate created when it is requested. random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:44:27 AM 1091 Views
Then you need be be more clear because that is not what you said. LadyLorraine - 17/04/2011 03:14:03 AM 1065 Views
OK I will try to be clearer random thoughts - 18/04/2011 03:03:56 AM 995 Views
Why should he show it? everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:38:53 PM 1031 Views
I personally have no problem with him not showing it random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:38:42 AM 1146 Views
Presumably you want his certificate of stillbirth as well? Tim - 16/04/2011 12:59:22 PM 1048 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:55 AM 564 Views
thanks for your contribution. They are all important no matter how small *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 12:50:56 AM 492 Views
I wish the birthers would stop waste everyone's time and focus on actual policies of Obama's. Tom - 15/04/2011 04:59:01 PM 1142 Views
Actually nossy - 15/04/2011 06:12:41 PM 1107 Views
This LadyLorraine - 15/04/2011 11:59:47 PM 968 Views
He already has Roland00 - 16/04/2011 07:41:43 AM 1077 Views
I'm not referring to Obama. Just anyone who wants to be anyone in the future. *NM* nossy - 16/04/2011 02:01:25 PM 499 Views
Don't we already do this? The_Muted_Grimaud - 15/04/2011 06:24:29 PM 1049 Views
actually there isn't random thoughts - 15/04/2011 07:43:47 PM 1110 Views
He did produce his Certificate of Live Birth and was approved to run for President. Case closed. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:42:05 PM 1081 Views
do you have link for that? *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:17:51 AM 522 Views
In all fairness to the discussion I do not. everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:24:30 AM 1059 Views
It was a certificaTION of live birth and not a certificate MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:51:29 PM 1234 Views
Which is a form of birth certificate Floffe - 20/04/2011 08:45:41 AM 1131 Views
Meh, who cares? ßelals Girl - 15/04/2011 07:31:22 PM 1094 Views
we're the 14 year old boy of the U.S. *NM* Jessie - 16/04/2011 03:37:51 AM 501 Views
Re: I actually find the whole thing hilarious, and I hope it continues. Gaps - 16/04/2011 01:33:34 AM 1096 Views
What's the problem? Show your birth certficate, problem solved. *NM* trzaska2000 - 16/04/2011 03:32:37 AM 517 Views
problem was solved awhile ago when he produced his birth certificate. what are you holding onto? *NM* moondog - 16/04/2011 07:29:39 AM 520 Views
Perhaps he's responding to the actual post, and not talking about Obama this time? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 12:56:50 PM 496 Views
As per the Constitution, Congress already verifies eligibility. Of each President. TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:36:06 PM 1048 Views
Did you mean to reply to me or to the main post? *NM* Tim - 16/04/2011 03:44:38 PM 508 Views
You. Well, the trzaska subthread in general. Although it applies to the overall topic equally. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/04/2011 03:53:38 PM 488 Views
Which is why I would think even if this law passes it will be tossed as it should. everynametaken - 16/04/2011 11:44:50 PM 1041 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 510 Views
staes control who can be on their ballot *NM* random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:18:24 AM 548 Views
Supposedly the FEC only has jurisdiction over matters of campaign finance. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:24:39 AM 568 Views
as per you pulled that out of your ass random thoughts - 17/04/2011 01:16:15 AM 1032 Views
Actually it wasn't my ass, it was an anti-Obama political blogging site's ass. TaskmasterJack - 17/04/2011 03:56:35 AM 1085 Views
not only is no one in charge of making sure the president meets all the qualifications random thoughts - 18/04/2011 02:51:16 AM 1064 Views
To make things even more fun in this thread... Larry - 18/04/2011 03:50:43 AM 1090 Views
Re: To make things even more fun in this thread... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:24:05 AM 970 Views
That wasn't the point Larry - 21/04/2011 05:48:04 AM 1026 Views
I am not a birther, but WTF makes you a nutjob for this? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 08:40:15 AM 1277 Views
read above, he has. *NM* LadyLorraine - 18/04/2011 02:47:25 PM 484 Views
Provided a birth certificate? MalkierKnight - 18/04/2011 02:51:56 PM 1644 Views
Why is a Certification of Live Birth insufficient? Aeryn - 18/04/2011 08:43:34 PM 1104 Views
because it's easier to push a non-issue than it is to work on something constructive i guess.... moondog - 19/04/2011 04:27:31 AM 990 Views
No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:18:52 AM 1193 Views
Re: No, actually MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 05:19:51 AM 1169 Views
Since when is religion hereditary? Aeryn - 19/04/2011 02:57:30 PM 1134 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:10:27 PM 1147 Views
Re: Since when is religion hereditary? snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:32:10 PM 1218 Views
I don't think it's as strong a claim as you make it out to be MalkierKnight - 19/04/2011 03:39:01 PM 1354 Views
I think it is for some people. snoopcester - 19/04/2011 03:55:45 PM 970 Views
how many previous presidents have had to prove their place of birth? moondog - 19/04/2011 04:34:42 PM 1034 Views
with how many has it been in doubt? *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 05:08:18 PM 523 Views
why doubt this one beyond all others? *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 06:45:24 PM 486 Views
people always find some reason to doubt the legitimacy of a president they don't like random thoughts - 19/04/2011 09:01:33 PM 1174 Views
Brewer vetoes the bill! Skeeve the Great - 19/04/2011 02:31:50 AM 1226 Views
yay, she's not as much of a nutjob as i once thought she was! moondog - 19/04/2011 04:28:05 AM 1143 Views
yes she is, don't let her fool you *NM* LadyLorraine - 19/04/2011 04:31:10 PM 464 Views
i didn't say she's not, just not as much as i thought before *NM* moondog - 19/04/2011 04:37:34 PM 483 Views
good. maybe they will move on to more important things *NM* random thoughts - 19/04/2011 02:41:34 PM 465 Views
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