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I'm not sure why there was even any need for such explicit protection. Legolas Send a noteboard - 25/06/2011 04:04:47 PM
Considering they protected the Church from being forced to perform gay marriages against it's will, and I don't recognize any marriage performed outside the Catholic Church anyway, this really doesn't change anything for me.

As far as I'm aware, attempts to force the Catholic Church or any other Church to perform marriages against its will - of divorced people, for instance - have never been successful before, so why would they be successful now?
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New York Senate approves same-sex marriage Dominic - 25/06/2011 03:47:43 AM 1351 Views
Good. *NM* Camilla - 25/06/2011 07:40:52 AM 445 Views
Re: Federalism is so fucking slow. *NM* Gaps - 25/06/2011 02:47:11 PM 274 Views
I'm actually not opposed to this. Dragonsoul - 25/06/2011 03:48:32 PM 654 Views
Makes sense to me. Joel - 25/06/2011 04:00:07 PM 882 Views
I'm not sure why there was even any need for such explicit protection. Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:04:47 PM 645 Views
There are two reasons, depending on ones position on the issue. Joel - 25/06/2011 06:04:27 PM 704 Views
Meh, you never know. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:58:37 AM 792 Views
so in your only Catholics are really married? random thoughts - 26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM 657 Views
Church Doctrine. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 780 Views
That is simply not true Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:20:59 AM 724 Views
Yes it is. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:14:29 PM 727 Views
That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM 674 Views
Yeah okay... Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM 714 Views
They are outside of the authority of Rome, and have, on occasion, excommunicated Popes. Dannymac - 27/06/2011 05:03:31 PM 686 Views
Are you sure about this? Camilla - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 578 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong Roland00 - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 725 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 259 Views
Seems fine to me Isaac - 25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM 650 Views
Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM 780 Views
Direct democracy is the only true democracy. *NM* Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 01:01:26 AM 278 Views
Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 269 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 725 Views
Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM 644 Views
I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 280 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 280 Views
After a number of years of gay marriage Helene - 26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM 619 Views
That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example Isaac - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 647 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law Helene - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 640 Views
I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM 691 Views
I admit I wasn't replying to you directly Helene - 29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM 647 Views
I think you should give this subject a bit more thought Isaac - 29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM 691 Views
I'll address the bulk of this later Helene - 29/06/2011 07:58:48 PM 570 Views
Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 754 Views
Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM 840 Views
I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1232 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Isaac - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 839 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 1098 Views
We're gonna have to pick this up another time Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:37:25 AM 660 Views
No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. Helene - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 680 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:32:44 AM 717 Views
Btw, in case you were wondering, I do like you Helene - 01/07/2011 02:17:42 PM 725 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 828 Views
I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect Isaac - 27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM 619 Views
I'm all for occasionally forcing stuff down people's throats... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2011 11:44:12 AM 617 Views
My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 734 Views
That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM 761 Views
No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM 672 Views
Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 767 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* beetnemesis - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 296 Views
Good. *NM* ironclad - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 264 Views
I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone... TaskmasterJack - 26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM 546 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 765 Views
The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:43:23 PM 657 Views
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