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So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM
I don't live in New York and I don't know the politics there but, geez, five times to finally get it passed? That seems off somehow. It seems like they just kept ramming it through until it finally passed. Is that really how people want to pass laws? Maybe I'm wrong but how is that different than the groups who try to ram anti-abortion laws over and over until something finally gets through?
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Good. *NM* Camilla - 25/06/2011 07:40:52 AM 492 Views
Re: Federalism is so fucking slow. *NM* Gaps - 25/06/2011 02:47:11 PM 324 Views
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so in your only Catholics are really married? random thoughts - 26/06/2011 12:04:07 AM 751 Views
Church Doctrine. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 867 Views
That is simply not true Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:20:59 AM 828 Views
Yes it is. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:14:29 PM 814 Views
That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM 769 Views
Yeah okay... Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:16:05 PM 801 Views
They are outside of the authority of Rome, and have, on occasion, excommunicated Popes. Dannymac - 27/06/2011 05:03:31 PM 771 Views
Are you sure about this? Camilla - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 676 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong Roland00 - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 825 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 304 Views
Seems fine to me Isaac - 25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM 744 Views
Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM 862 Views
Direct democracy is the only true democracy. *NM* Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 01:01:26 AM 321 Views
Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 336 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 809 Views
Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM 731 Views
I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 323 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 328 Views
After a number of years of gay marriage Helene - 26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM 705 Views
That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example Isaac - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 744 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law Helene - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 719 Views
I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM 786 Views
I admit I wasn't replying to you directly Helene - 29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM 733 Views
I think you should give this subject a bit more thought Isaac - 29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM 784 Views
I'll address the bulk of this later Helene - 29/06/2011 07:58:48 PM 661 Views
Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 863 Views
Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM 931 Views
I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1335 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Isaac - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 934 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 1200 Views
We're gonna have to pick this up another time Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:37:25 AM 756 Views
No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. Helene - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 764 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:32:44 AM 812 Views
Btw, in case you were wondering, I do like you Helene - 01/07/2011 02:17:42 PM 812 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 934 Views
I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect Isaac - 27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM 706 Views
I'm all for occasionally forcing stuff down people's throats... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2011 11:44:12 AM 737 Views
My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 823 Views
That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM 854 Views
No, most people don't do that. Reasoning from cognitive biases and anecdotes is much more common. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:18:40 AM 761 Views
Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 862 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* beetnemesis - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 352 Views
Good. *NM* ironclad - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 313 Views
I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone... TaskmasterJack - 26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM 631 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 841 Views
The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:43:23 PM 746 Views
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