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So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM
I don't live in New York and I don't know the politics there but, geez, five times to finally get it passed? That seems off somehow. It seems like they just kept ramming it through until it finally passed. Is that really how people want to pass laws? Maybe I'm wrong but how is that different than the groups who try to ram anti-abortion laws over and over until something finally gets through?
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Church Doctrine. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 12:57:39 AM 840 Views
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Yes it is. Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 05:14:29 PM 783 Views
That's patently wrong in that Orthodox weddings are explicitly recognized by the Church. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:42:00 PM 737 Views
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Are you sure about this? Camilla - 30/06/2011 04:47:57 PM 642 Views
Dragonsoul is wrong Roland00 - 01/07/2011 09:21:43 AM 788 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 25/06/2011 04:05:15 PM 288 Views
Seems fine to me Isaac - 25/06/2011 05:44:30 PM 715 Views
Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/06/2011 09:37:28 PM 832 Views
Direct democracy is the only true democracy. *NM* Dragonsoul - 26/06/2011 01:01:26 AM 306 Views
Sometimes it is grand not being a True Scottsman *NM* Roland00 - 26/06/2011 08:21:49 AM 298 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:11:06 AM 783 Views
Good luck telling that to the deeply religious right. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:20:04 AM 703 Views
I am a deeply religious member of the right, and I tell them that all the time *NM* Isaac - 26/06/2011 03:30:14 AM 305 Views
Then you're a rare person. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 26/06/2011 03:36:11 AM 312 Views
After a number of years of gay marriage Helene - 26/06/2011 06:57:07 AM 677 Views
That's more or less true of virtually everything, not a great example Isaac - 26/06/2011 07:09:03 AM 712 Views
People shouldn't turn their own religion and/or opinion into law Helene - 28/06/2011 07:33:48 PM 686 Views
I don't recall mentioning religion beyond confirming that I was religious Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:22:51 PM 754 Views
I admit I wasn't replying to you directly Helene - 29/06/2011 07:20:10 AM 700 Views
I think you should give this subject a bit more thought Isaac - 29/06/2011 02:16:04 PM 750 Views
I'll address the bulk of this later Helene - 29/06/2011 07:58:48 PM 627 Views
Believing things without strong supporting evidence is not rational. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 12:11:33 AM 837 Views
Requiring different degrees of proof for things isn't particularly rational Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:14:44 PM 900 Views
I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 07:43:51 PM 1300 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Isaac - 30/06/2011 08:59:00 PM 900 Views
Re: I require the same standard of evidence to be confident in anything. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/06/2011 09:47:30 PM 1167 Views
We're gonna have to pick this up another time Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:37:25 AM 726 Views
No, I used the word irrational to mean that it's not rational. Helene - 30/06/2011 09:12:19 PM 740 Views
Fair Enough Isaac - 01/07/2011 04:32:44 AM 778 Views
Btw, in case you were wondering, I do like you Helene - 01/07/2011 02:17:42 PM 782 Views
Re: Voting on civil rights constitutes tyranny of the majority, not legitimate democracy. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/06/2011 10:38:56 PM 894 Views
I think you should give your fellow citizens a bit more trust and respect Isaac - 27/06/2011 05:41:52 PM 676 Views
I'm all for occasionally forcing stuff down people's throats... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2011 11:44:12 AM 694 Views
My expectations are guided by psychology and history. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/06/2011 07:08:06 PM 792 Views
That's good to know, most of us do that, though we usually just call it common sense and experience Isaac - 28/06/2011 08:55:23 PM 823 Views
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Perhaps, you seem to be claiming not do that yourself though Isaac - 30/06/2011 01:40:57 PM 830 Views
Empire State Building was lit up in rainbow colors, looked cool *NM* beetnemesis - 25/06/2011 08:21:03 PM 326 Views
Good. *NM* ironclad - 25/06/2011 11:41:30 PM 293 Views
I approved that years ago. They are way behind. Granted, I have no authority over anyone... TaskmasterJack - 26/06/2011 12:22:33 AM 600 Views
So, fifth time is a charm? everynametaken - 26/06/2011 06:38:26 AM 815 Views
The real issue is going to be when the Supreme Court rules on the full faith and credit clause. Tom - 26/06/2011 02:43:23 PM 712 Views
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