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He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel Send a noteboard - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM
I figure he's made their point pretty well

Correctly, it seems. As I said below, majorities in many states feel abortion should be illegal for fetuses safety; that doesn't make them right, only numerous.
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You can't make this stuff up: Helmet law protester dies in crash Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 08:47:14 PM 990 Views
Kinda undermines his protest *NM* snoopcester - 05/07/2011 09:01:50 PM 291 Views
Just a tad bit *NM* Dark Knight - 05/07/2011 09:06:24 PM 277 Views
How so? He wasn't demanding the right to survive crashes when only a helmet makes that possible. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:06:44 PM 645 Views
New York feels that people should have to wear helmets for their own safety snoopcester - 05/07/2011 11:20:36 PM 609 Views
He felt his own safety was his own concern. Joel - 06/07/2011 12:07:05 AM 536 Views
Who do you think would have ended up paying for his care for the rest of his life if the accident Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:08:49 AM 694 Views
The same people who pay for everyone else whose actions render them vegetables. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:50:20 AM 818 Views
Maybe a more effective argument you could use against me would be pointing out Tashmere - 06/07/2011 02:33:21 AM 607 Views
Yeah, that is a better example. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:03:01 AM 576 Views
Oops, ignore! *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:44:10 PM 356 Views
Now, who said irony wasn't funny? *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 05/07/2011 09:22:58 PM 412 Views
what a fricking idiot Yunalesca - 05/07/2011 10:02:17 PM 774 Views
That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 05/07/2011 11:19:36 PM 1029 Views
Anarchy, baby! *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:58:23 AM 509 Views
Sorry, as an advocate of civil rights (which especially includes minorities) I oppose anarchy. Joel - 06/07/2011 01:18:19 AM 696 Views
The public's nose is on the line here too. Tashmere - 06/07/2011 01:47:08 AM 735 Views
So my increased ease of hearing/seeing vehicles and other hazards isn't worth $1200. Joel - 06/07/2011 02:25:53 AM 751 Views
I understand the pov, I had a BF who felt that same way. It's still much like childish defiance. Avendesora - 06/07/2011 01:26:15 AM 933 Views
In part it's a matter of principle, but if we really want to analyze it there's some deeper validity Joel - 06/07/2011 02:13:05 AM 711 Views
you keep spreading falsehoods, stop it please moondog - 06/07/2011 02:49:01 AM 882 Views
Sounds like your real argument is with the other bikers; I'm just reiterating their arguments. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:38:39 AM 806 Views
It's not "much like" childish defiance. It IS. *NM* eucatastrophe - 06/07/2011 11:45:05 PM 463 Views
Uh Joel... ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 03:38:24 AM 637 Views
Agreed, having others in the car does make a difference. Joel - 06/07/2011 03:47:53 AM 715 Views
Hence why your "I wouldn't wear a seatbelt in the back seat" comment didn't make a lot of sense ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:38:50 PM 683 Views
Depends on whether the driver, rather than the law, is the one insisting. Joel - 06/07/2011 08:06:24 PM 550 Views
You'd place your own comfort over other people's safety? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 11:37:00 PM 587 Views
It's more a comfort issue than anything else; it's not solely one. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:56:28 PM 1063 Views
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense ironclad - 06/07/2011 07:02:33 PM 837 Views
Yes it does ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:32:54 PM 591 Views
how many people are really seriously injured that way? random thoughts - 06/07/2011 07:15:16 PM 810 Views
Did you actually read my post? ßelals Girl - 06/07/2011 07:36:13 PM 709 Views
my ex had 3 cracked ribs from an accident like that moondog - 07/07/2011 02:46:07 AM 746 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 05:18:12 PM 797 Views
Re: That's your opinion to which you're entitled. Joel - 06/07/2011 06:13:44 PM 868 Views
Hold the phone here... Jeordam - 06/07/2011 07:49:10 PM 990 Views
+1 *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 08:42:14 PM 353 Views
You agree with him that the abortion debate is about a mothers convenience versus the babys life? Joel - 06/07/2011 10:48:52 PM 715 Views
im not bringing abortion into this, its a separate issue *NM* Yunalesca - 06/07/2011 10:56:17 PM 347 Views
It's really not. Joel - 07/07/2011 12:20:10 AM 741 Views
i'm really not Yunalesca - 07/07/2011 03:34:23 PM 816 Views
Fine as far as it goes, but public/private only matters to the extent others are affected. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:15:33 AM 781 Views
What else could the debate be about? Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:58:51 PM 668 Views
"The babys life", not just "life". Joel - 07/07/2011 12:18:02 AM 994 Views
Holding the phone here might be good, yes.... Joel - 06/07/2011 10:33:46 PM 806 Views
See...that's the difference between you and me Jeordam - 06/07/2011 10:56:53 PM 895 Views
Apparently so; "completely anarchy as long as its regulated to one's body" sounds nonsensical to me. Joel - 06/07/2011 11:44:50 PM 872 Views
I think I could make that up. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 05/07/2011 11:41:00 PM 282 Views
Smartass *NM* Dark Knight - 06/07/2011 12:57:22 AM 298 Views
I'm with Joel. I always buckle up/helmet up, but I think such laws are asinine beetnemesis - 06/07/2011 02:30:04 AM 556 Views
why not just ban motorcycles all together, they are much more dangerous than cars random thoughts - 06/07/2011 05:39:51 PM 569 Views
Helmets help save lives. 'Onest. Two Wongs - 07/07/2011 04:40:42 PM 740 Views
So do not smoking, eating right and regular exercise, but we haven't made them mandatory. Joel - 09/07/2011 11:04:58 AM 740 Views
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