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Wikipedia, really? Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM
You want to actually learn the history of fascist Italy? Read "A History of Fascism" by Stanley G. Payne. Until then, don't pretend to speak on it.
Not Wikipedia.
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Large explosion in Oslo and nearby shootings Mark - 22/07/2011 03:52:56 PM 2088 Views
A bit too convenient for an accident, I'd say. Tom - 22/07/2011 03:54:38 PM 814 Views
I agree Mark - 22/07/2011 03:59:16 PM 809 Views
Why do you care about making a claim? You're not a reporter. Tom - 22/07/2011 04:53:06 PM 834 Views
Because I was making the post to tell people what was happening Mark - 22/07/2011 05:26:11 PM 798 Views
He IS reporting LadyLorraine - 22/07/2011 11:46:30 PM 721 Views
Let's not get ridiculous. Tom - 23/07/2011 02:10:26 AM 793 Views
Police in Oslo have confirmed it was a bomb. *NM* Wibble - 22/07/2011 04:15:04 PM 712 Views
Not good - two reported dead so far snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:23:03 PM 810 Views
Re: Not good - two reported dead so far Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:15 PM 770 Views
I've long assumed this was the case. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:28:40 PM 733 Views
Ah, I has suspected so snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:32:14 PM 688 Views
I thought everyone loved Norway! Camilla - 22/07/2011 04:26:25 PM 787 Views
'cept Whales snoopcester - 22/07/2011 04:31:01 PM 793 Views
Hey, I wouldn't put something like this past Green Peace. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:37:40 PM 745 Views
I would. *NM* Camilla - 22/07/2011 06:52:38 PM 716 Views
Your faith is greater than mine then. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:26:54 PM 737 Views
Sounds like you're confusing Greenpeace with PETA. *NM* Legolas - 22/07/2011 10:53:18 PM 715 Views
Earth First is more likely. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:14:33 PM 806 Views
And 8-11th century Irish and Brits Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:20:07 PM 755 Views
Pics of the site look eerily similar to the Murrah building after the OKC bombing. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:27:03 PM 725 Views
NRK says a press conference is imminent; we'll hopefully know more soon. Joel - 22/07/2011 04:48:07 PM 798 Views
This ain't cool. *NM* LordPerrin - 22/07/2011 04:55:21 PM 753 Views
It is terrible. Spriteling - 22/07/2011 05:13:24 PM 710 Views
There are allegedly also people firing at the youth camp of the Labour party at an island Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:26:29 PM 809 Views
Are Labour the ruling party? Mark - 22/07/2011 05:28:51 PM 741 Views
Yes. One of three. Camilla - 22/07/2011 05:33:42 PM 829 Views
That's horrible. Stephen - 22/07/2011 05:42:07 PM 745 Views
I hope the perpetrators are made to suffer kHz1000 - 22/07/2011 05:53:38 PM 759 Views
7 confirmed dead, 2 severly injured, several with minor injuries. Maria - 22/07/2011 06:45:32 PM 773 Views
and at least 9 additional dead on Utøya... *NM* jh - 22/07/2011 09:23:25 PM 724 Views
Utøya was just.... terrible. Maria - 22/07/2011 09:58:18 PM 751 Views
Despite all these jihadi groups claiming responsibility the police seem to think they are. Camilla - 22/07/2011 09:37:08 PM 817 Views
It sounds a lot like that, yeah; the parallels with OKC are rather striking. Joel - 22/07/2011 10:25:42 PM 896 Views
I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Aisha - 22/07/2011 10:58:12 PM 776 Views
Re: I know a lot of people are going to be dissapointed if its not a Muslim Camilla - 22/07/2011 11:03:56 PM 835 Views
Not at all. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:35:12 PM 820 Views
Norwegian papers article, in English: Joel - 22/07/2011 10:51:32 PM 919 Views
so "Youth camp" doesnt mean little kids right? Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:05:42 PM 755 Views
I gather 14-18 years old *NM* Isaac - 22/07/2011 11:07:37 PM 692 Views
wow.... *NM* Aisha - 22/07/2011 11:11:34 PM 702 Views
HS kids, from what I can gather. Joel - 22/07/2011 11:45:30 PM 794 Views
The person arrested is Anders Behring Breivik Lews_TherinThelamon - 23/07/2011 01:14:58 AM 748 Views
At least 80 dead so far. Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 03:09:38 AM 882 Views
Oh I feel sick Aisha - 23/07/2011 03:55:04 AM 834 Views
Yes. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 07:25:46 AM 729 Views
Wow, that's horrible *NM* ßelals Girl - 23/07/2011 05:55:11 AM 744 Views
“It seems kind of unreal, especially in Norway. This is not something that could happen here.” Ghavrel - 23/07/2011 10:23:48 AM 761 Views
Yeah, but it is quite shocking in such a normally placid country. Joel - 23/07/2011 04:04:04 PM 835 Views
Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:05:07 PM 758 Views
Re: Norwegians cops dont carry guns? Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:01:28 PM 784 Views
It's Europe; guns are a lot more heavily regulated. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:32:15 PM 783 Views
Holy crap ironclad - 23/07/2011 11:06:32 AM 759 Views
Sounds like an anarchist, i.e., left-wing nut..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 03:10:55 PM 697 Views
Which explains why he was a member of the far RIGHT party until he became too extreme for even them. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:55:54 PM 746 Views
Try Christian fundamentalist Helene - 23/07/2011 04:12:55 PM 743 Views
Eerm, yeah...What Joel said ironclad - 23/07/2011 04:40:21 PM 798 Views
There's very few facts for anyone to be working with Isaac - 23/07/2011 05:52:26 PM 726 Views
Just having switched off the latest news... ironclad - 23/07/2011 06:21:09 PM 726 Views
The picture may change as more becomes known, but you only said what the police have publicly said. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:24:02 PM 686 Views
Re: Just having switched off the latest news... Isaac - 23/07/2011 09:01:36 PM 684 Views
The official facts we have are clear enough to validate Jens' statement. Joel - 23/07/2011 07:21:46 PM 615 Views
Why can't we just call him a wing-nut and agree? jh - 23/07/2011 07:27:33 PM 856 Views
why cant we call him a terrorist? Aisha - 23/07/2011 08:01:33 PM 737 Views
Because terrorist attacks only happens to the US. jh - 23/07/2011 08:21:05 PM 718 Views
Poes Law, man, Poes Law. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:02:45 PM 698 Views
I'm fine with that; the media here's certainly calling him a terrorist. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 709 Views
i noticed the Norwegians are calling it a terror attack Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:17:53 AM 744 Views
Christian media bias, eh? Joel - 24/07/2011 03:48:22 AM 735 Views
In the Netherlands they're calling him a Christian fundamentalist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:13:48 AM 719 Views
Sorry, new laptop. Joel - 23/07/2011 09:59:15 PM 668 Views
oh, please. *NM* Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:09:40 PM 675 Views
My thoughts echo yours. Joel - 23/07/2011 03:54:22 PM 729 Views
The people of Norway are in everyones thoughts and prayers. *NM* dart_board - 23/07/2011 12:51:38 PM 768 Views
This is awful, *NM* Nolan - 23/07/2011 03:43:37 PM 722 Views
Absolutely tragic. Sick sick person. *NM* Avendesora - 23/07/2011 03:58:15 PM 664 Views
A victim's account Great Lord of Chaos - 23/07/2011 05:40:01 PM 838 Views
By the way - too bad Norway doesn't have the death penalty.....very justified in this case. *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 08:44:32 PM 663 Views
Very much true kHz1000 - 23/07/2011 09:31:14 PM 721 Views
Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Joel - 23/07/2011 09:33:52 PM 793 Views
21 years? Wow, what a stupid system..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:41:18 PM 703 Views
Re: Actually, it's more like "too bad the maximum Norwegian prison sentence is 21 years". Camilla - 23/07/2011 09:43:12 PM 840 Views
Anything less than execution is wrong..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 09:52:07 PM 763 Views
By the Grace of God, that's not your call to make. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:06:05 PM 741 Views
92 murders = execution trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:09:33 PM 762 Views
I brought up God because you're not Him. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:12:43 PM 749 Views
God doesn't decide anything in society, people do..... trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:15:43 PM 704 Views
Yes, a huge portion of the world is OK with summary execution, but nowhere you or I want to live. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:34:28 PM 742 Views
Nowhere? - the majority of US citizens support the death penalty *NM* trzaska2000 - 23/07/2011 10:57:25 PM 688 Views
Not in any form as cut and dried as you presented. Joel - 23/07/2011 11:27:52 PM 751 Views
Yeah, supporting the concept isn't the same as supporting the application..... trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 02:25:33 AM 714 Views
Doubt can never be completely eliminated from any equation, hence the standard's "reasonable" doubt. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:35:02 AM 741 Views
Yes it can, the two cases I mentioned have no doubt regarding guilt..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/07/2011 04:42:13 AM 662 Views
Again, believe what you like, just don't impose it on anyone else. Joel - 24/07/2011 12:02:01 PM 713 Views
I don't think that the Norwegian criminal system is based on that ideal. Great Lord of Chaos - 24/07/2011 03:03:42 PM 661 Views
Which almost without exception makes a lot more sense. Joel - 23/07/2011 10:04:48 PM 746 Views
If Norwegians are fine with their 21 year law why should it bother you? Aisha - 24/07/2011 03:24:56 AM 822 Views
For some reason it's his business. Joel - 24/07/2011 03:51:36 AM 809 Views
Makes sense Aisha - 25/07/2011 01:36:13 AM 792 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect it has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" act Joel - 25/07/2011 03:53:22 AM 668 Views
Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" of acts Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:36:21 AM 677 Views
... Camilla - 25/07/2011 12:46:40 PM 696 Views
Re: Sacrificing freedom to protect has never been logical, and is perhaps the most "un-American" snoopcester - 25/07/2011 01:25:13 PM 719 Views
You need a reason for one, but if you nominally satisfy that minimal requirement they're available. Joel - 25/07/2011 05:28:23 PM 768 Views
they don't seem to have a problem voicing an opinion about our death penalty *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:12:33 PM 813 Views
Yes, if they dish it out, they should be prepared to take it. jh - 26/07/2011 04:05:23 PM 750 Views
I have a feeling Praziquantel - 24/07/2011 04:08:34 AM 737 Views
Not at all. Luckily, we don't have death penalty Maria - 24/07/2011 09:16:28 AM 789 Views
Right wing terrorism always confused me. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 04:44:34 AM 781 Views
I don't understand how anyone can be a fascist. *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 07:15:16 AM 684 Views
I don't understand how any Italian can not be. *NM* Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:51:34 PM 755 Views
Cause fascism didn't do much good for Italy? *NM* Helene - 24/07/2011 05:06:34 PM 678 Views
Bahaha yeah except 20 years of peace, prosperity and effective government. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 12:06:35 AM 715 Views
It's important to distinguish between Roman and modern fascism. Joel - 25/07/2011 03:48:24 AM 773 Views
The problem with that is simple. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:15:38 PM 683 Views
I can't speak to Italian civil liberties under Mussolini, but the little I've heard contradicts you. Joel - 25/07/2011 04:27:54 PM 708 Views
Wikipedia, really? Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:07:28 PM 751 Views
Merely for convenience; the things I linked (e.g. blackshirt murder campaigns) are common knowledge. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:00:22 PM 660 Views
Actually yes, he does. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:23:20 AM 701 Views
Actually, I know quite a bit about fascism in Italy Helene - 25/07/2011 08:29:04 AM 806 Views
If you did... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:05:31 PM 604 Views
You're full of it... and apparently you don't know it. *NM* Helene - 25/07/2011 06:40:14 PM 687 Views
Again, use facts... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:24:02 AM 772 Views
I'm too amused by your unfounded accusations of ignorance Helene - 26/07/2011 06:13:42 AM 650 Views
I don't debate with the ignorant. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:07 PM 686 Views
My guess is they're viewed as "collaborators". Joel - 24/07/2011 12:05:00 PM 729 Views
Even so. Dragonsoul - 24/07/2011 01:55:08 PM 722 Views
Yeah, I can't really explain it; it's insane behavior. Joel - 24/07/2011 04:57:27 PM 706 Views
/ignoring the ridiculous fascism stuff... on the subject of killing your own Camilla - 25/07/2011 04:36:01 PM 745 Views
Regardless. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 05:17:36 PM 710 Views
That's tempting, saying he isn't a "real" or "true" nationalist. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:20:38 PM 779 Views
Well I just don't comptrehend how he could be a "true" or "real" nationalist... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:25:35 AM 723 Views
That's clearly not true snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:35:05 AM 685 Views
I'm pretty sure it's against nationalism as anyone defines it. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 01:43:56 PM 745 Views
See? snoopcester - 26/07/2011 02:05:09 PM 666 Views
Right, but... Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 10:47:29 PM 753 Views
Yes he is on the far right snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:54:06 PM 720 Views
I'm hardly a fanatic. Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 12:23:09 AM 590 Views
You do come across that way here. snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:05:26 AM 726 Views
Maybe to you, then again if you want to talk about how people come across on the internet... Dragonsoul - 27/07/2011 10:05:39 PM 756 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:27:29 PM 704 Views
How would a Nazi killing ONLY aryans be a Nazi? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:27:03 AM 748 Views
Remember how the Nazis killled socialists and other people who disagreed with them? That is how. *NM* Camilla - 28/07/2011 07:40:24 AM 657 Views
and don't forget it was how the far left killed the people they did like as well random thoughts - 28/07/2011 11:47:26 AM 685 Views
Sorry but when was the USSR nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 12:40:46 PM 675 Views
Great Patriotic War ring a bell? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:04:02 PM 678 Views
And how was that nationalistic? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:05:01 PM 676 Views
Can you read? Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:02:13 PM 712 Views
The rather famous Night of the Long Knives not ring a bell? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 10:34:47 AM 667 Views
Again, I said a Nazi who kills ONLY aryans. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:03:00 PM 736 Views
So you know for a fact that every Nazi who killed a fellow Aryan nazi that night also killed others? snoopcester - 28/07/2011 08:01:35 PM 674 Views
I have no idea why I want to jump into this but I would just point out two things random thoughts - 28/07/2011 12:46:56 AM 743 Views
Okay that's fair. Dragonsoul - 28/07/2011 06:28:57 AM 746 Views
So horrible. *NM* everynametaken - 24/07/2011 06:24:28 AM 697 Views
Apparently, he plagiarised tehe UNA-bomber in his manifesto Camilla - 24/07/2011 02:52:36 PM 739 Views
Wow, that's impressive, in all the worst senses of the word. Joel - 24/07/2011 05:05:24 PM 675 Views
Unfortunately Anders was a product of this delusional age cmdjing - 24/07/2011 07:15:28 PM 924 Views
I suppose that was intended to be as cryptic as it sounds? *NM* Legolas - 24/07/2011 09:43:49 PM 634 Views
Cryptic's accurate enough but some other descriptions come to mind *NM* Isaac - 25/07/2011 06:58:42 PM 650 Views
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. In a dubious, halfhearted sort of way. Legolas - 25/07/2011 09:21:55 PM 746 Views
Dear God, I hope they don't give him the platform to preach his crap ironclad - 24/07/2011 10:07:37 PM 761 Views
it seems he has won, he has a fan on this website in fact, just look at the thread below yours Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:33:39 AM 714 Views
Having read his manifesto and watched his youtube video... Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 01:50:07 AM 701 Views
Oh, so killing people who are NOT HIS OWN would have been ok? *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:38:50 AM 650 Views
Would have been understandable. Dragonsoul - 25/07/2011 02:03:31 PM 714 Views
Much as it pains me to say, most of his victims were almost certainly not Christian. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:04:21 PM 728 Views
Again. Dragonsoul - 26/07/2011 03:26:51 AM 683 Views
I'm amazed that one person could cause this level of death. Tom - 25/07/2011 05:35:33 AM 727 Views
I too was surprised Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:45:10 AM 699 Views
I'm told it takes most of an hour just to DRIVE from Oslo to Utøya. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:14:16 PM 710 Views
galveston wouldnt need police from houston, they have police on the island. Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:22:40 PM 704 Views
That's because Galveston is more than 26 acres. Joel - 25/07/2011 09:39:06 PM 769 Views
See below: Joel - 26/07/2011 02:03:27 AM 707 Views
If there were reports that someone was slaughter children? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:18:45 PM 713 Views
A local with a deer rifle vs. a man in combat armor with an automatic rifle and military training? Joel - 25/07/2011 10:36:54 PM 561 Views
yes local, who would have military training as well, could have taken him with a deer rifle random thoughts - 25/07/2011 11:17:08 PM 763 Views
Theoretically; bear in mind that Charles Whitman spent two full hours killing people in the UT tower Joel - 26/07/2011 12:54:51 AM 804 Views
More on response time; it could have been better, but was more like an hour than hour and a half. Joel - 26/07/2011 01:59:30 AM 760 Views
they still are working under the assumption that they had to use heavily armed special forces random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:09:05 PM 666 Views
The level of planning is what made it possible, and what makes it so chilling. Joel - 25/07/2011 07:25:23 PM 705 Views
I really wish they would stop mentioning he was a fan of True Blood *NM* Aisha - 25/07/2011 05:47:16 AM 645 Views
In the middle of all this, why is that important to you? *NM* Milla - 25/07/2011 09:04:54 AM 736 Views
its important to me to know why its important enough to mention Aisha - 25/07/2011 09:15:11 PM 684 Views
And ego shooter games, as if they were the final trigger *NM* ironclad - 25/07/2011 10:40:33 AM 656 Views
And the fact that he was a Eurovision fan kHz1000 - 25/07/2011 11:23:48 AM 699 Views
are political party sponsored youth camps common in Europe? random thoughts - 25/07/2011 07:13:00 PM 744 Views
It is the labour youth organisation's summer camp Camilla - 25/07/2011 09:11:57 PM 712 Views
sorry but that just seems very odd to me random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:08:07 PM 695 Views
Re: sorry but that just seems very odd to me Camilla - 25/07/2011 10:20:27 PM 720 Views
that would make a big difference random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:32:52 PM 704 Views
I think most such organizations have a somewhat older membership - 16-25 or so. Legolas - 25/07/2011 10:30:04 PM 699 Views
having children who are passed their teens I still considered teenagers kids random thoughts - 25/07/2011 10:57:50 PM 692 Views
Yeah, I guess that'd depend on your perspective. Legolas - 25/07/2011 11:17:17 PM 696 Views
Re:I know that Gaps - 27/07/2011 03:39:47 AM 755 Views
Re: Re:I know that Camilla - 27/07/2011 09:04:24 AM 724 Views
Re: He took lives. Gaps - 28/07/2011 12:23:43 AM 579 Views
are we really so bored and entrenched that we are debating the motives of a mad man? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:13:38 PM 692 Views
Quite. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:03:30 PM 661 Views
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