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I'd like to see some examples of both sides accusing each other of treason. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/08/2011 03:08:08 AM
He shouldn't have said treasonous, but his choice of wording aside he's expressing a fairly normal political sentiment, Charles Krauthammer discussed this subject in detail. It's not something to get worked up over though, Perry shouldn't - for political reasons - use the word 'treasonous' but politicians pretty much non-stop accuse people of treasonous or unpatriotic behavior all the time with pretty words, so I couldn't really care.

To the extent I still indulge the conceit they ARE two sides, I mean. As Roland notes, there's a difference between saying someones policies harm the nation (after all, along with a desire to improve the country, that's the whole very sincere motive for running against someone) and accusing them of INTENTIONALLY harming the nation for some murky seldom specified reason. I admit I called the "PATRIOT" Act treasonous because it flagrantly and repeatedly violated the Constitution, but I was careful to say I only wanted Bush impeached for it, and didn't say he was purposely harming the nation (he just seems to think preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution is somehow incompatable with Americas interests (8 ). You never heard Kerry calling him "anti-American" though, much less standing by the accusation; I don't think even Al Sharpton went that far. The closest any elected official came to that was Cynthia McKinney, whom the Democrats promptly expelled from the party.

Rest assured, I'm not trying to start another back and forth political debate but, even though an example of a Democrat doing something indefensible doesn't legitimize it for Republicans, I'll have to see an example of a Democrat accusing an opponent of treason before I'll believe it. Again, not that it matters, because both parties serve no one but the corporate donors who hire them as lobbyists on retirement anyway, which is by far the most harmful thing to the nation right now, even if they don't intend that harm.
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No one is going to talk about Rick Perry threatening to lynch the Fed Chair? - 18/08/2011 01:02:02 AM 754 Views
No, no real point - 18/08/2011 01:25:24 AM 382 Views
Much difference in degrees - 18/08/2011 01:47:30 AM 280 Views
Tone and context though - 18/08/2011 01:57:37 AM 362 Views
the difference in degree is the degree of hyperbole you used - 18/08/2011 02:14:03 PM 233 Views
"Hyperbole". That is exactly the word I was just thinking to describe the situation. - 19/08/2011 01:10:26 AM 262 Views
Perry is a blowhard - 19/08/2011 02:40:39 AM 214 Views
I'd like to see some examples of both sides accusing each other of treason. - 18/08/2011 03:08:08 AM 469 Views
I am so not getting into this with you - 18/08/2011 03:12:31 AM 309 Views
I'm kinda sick of the whole subject. - 18/08/2011 02:31:23 AM 352 Views
He left it vague, so he gets away with promoting violence; that's "free speech" now. - 18/08/2011 02:52:30 AM 341 Views
I shall infer something from those statements - 18/08/2011 02:00:00 PM 366 Views
that isn't how Joel logic works - 18/08/2011 03:06:10 PM 349 Views
Sounds like Bush 41s "no new taxes" pledge. - 18/08/2011 05:31:41 PM 486 Views
Apparently Ron Paul is: - 18/08/2011 08:29:26 AM 398 Views
I thought about it - 18/08/2011 11:00:07 AM 248 Views
Very precisely and succintly said. - 18/08/2011 05:49:12 PM 352 Views
I honestly have a hard time taking him or Bachmann seriously - 18/08/2011 02:00:47 PM 247 Views
I love how liberals get their panties in a wad over almost anything - 18/08/2011 02:03:43 PM 258 Views
Re: I love how liberals get their panties in a wad over almost anything - 18/08/2011 03:10:41 PM 297 Views
that is a honest opinion I can respect it - 18/08/2011 04:25:07 PM 357 Views
And that was an honest opinion that *I* can respect. - 18/08/2011 05:44:30 PM 258 Views
I took his comment to be something meant to appeal to the Tea Party segment, but came out wrong. - 18/08/2011 06:53:34 PM 365 Views
Or you could just skip the R altogether if that's not what you want. - 18/08/2011 07:15:47 PM 306 Views
Re: Or you could just skip the R altogether if that's not what you want. - 18/08/2011 11:47:00 PM 343 Views
You can't win it if you're not in it. - 19/08/2011 12:53:23 AM 358 Views
I am not sure what he was trying to do - 18/08/2011 07:42:17 PM 407 Views
You're right; liberals like Karl Rove and Ron Paul are already criticizing his comment. - 18/08/2011 09:56:26 PM 359 Views
or it should give us an idea how much a Bushie he is - 18/08/2011 11:24:02 PM 217 Views
Why do liberals always object when people urge political violence against us? - 18/08/2011 05:52:05 PM 261 Views
So I guess the answer is liberals are just naturally paranoid - 18/08/2011 06:45:30 PM 344 Views
Yeah, not sure why I bothered. - 18/08/2011 07:09:34 PM 243 Views

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