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Re: Funny..... Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 28/08/2011 12:15:25 AM
Bush's abstinence-only programs provided flat-out lies claiming that birth control was ineffective. Republican candidates routinely preach sexual repression under the guise of "family values," often while secretly violating their own supposed ideals.

Also, sociological research shows that all of this actually increases rates of teenage pregnancy and STDs.



Speaking of someone who is an active member of the local Republican Party...and a social concervative who knows plenty of social concervatives....

I do not see the pervasive thought that we are anti-birth control measures. What I see is that individuals say that not having sex is the only 100% guarenteed way to not get pregnant or contract an STI. I'm not saying abstinance programs are 100% effective. I'm saying not having sex is 100% effective.

This isn't about sexual repression. This isn't about limiting access to birth control measures. And this isn't about not educating young people. Its about the methodologies behind it. You said in a post above that its the state's place to do those things. I disagree, because I do not approve of the state's methods. Besides which, how would the state be in the position to teach my belief system?

~Jeordam


The claim itself is trivial. Of course "not having sex" is 100% effective, but it's also 100% unrealistic. People want to have sex, and there are methods with very close to 100% effectiveness that can allow them to do so safely. Pushing abstinence-only as a "solution" to this problem is the result of either absurd naivety or a wish to repress human desires. It's not just "individuals" talking about it; it was the policy of the federal government under a Republican, socially conservative President.

As I said in a previous post, public education has a responsibility to teach the facts about sex, not your belief system or anyone else's. Your beliefs do not supersede reality.
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I'm not sure if you're missing the point or not. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:20:49 AM 987 Views
I believe... callandor1000 - 24/08/2011 03:59:00 AM 931 Views
no I heard what he say Ihe is just wrong *NM* random thoughts - 24/08/2011 11:46:54 AM 393 Views
no the point is Stewart is using a strawman argument then random thoughts - 24/08/2011 12:22:55 PM 920 Views
I repeat did you watch both videos? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:09:48 AM 761 Views
did you actually think about what you were watching? random thoughts - 24/08/2011 01:23:47 PM 870 Views
Here is what he said, since you are at work Roland00 - 24/08/2011 11:36:52 PM 779 Views
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The numbers barely change if you use income instead of wealth Roland00 - 25/08/2011 03:40:12 AM 798 Views
sorry again your fudging that is adjusted gross income what would the unadjusted gross be? random thoughts - 25/08/2011 02:30:06 PM 768 Views
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so just proving your numbers are wrong isn't enough? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:03:52 PM 765 Views
how are my numbers not valid? *NM* Roland00 - 27/08/2011 03:29:34 AM 371 Views
OK lets try something different random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:24:27 PM 694 Views
When you say serious republican? Roland00 - 29/08/2011 12:47:40 AM 787 Views
I simple "no I can't defend it" would have worked *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:00:11 PM 439 Views
Laughs, you are funny Roland00 - 30/08/2011 12:25:52 AM 723 Views
Never had much sympathy for the poor Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:18:57 AM 866 Views
While there is some truth to your argument ... Nate - 24/08/2011 02:29:28 AM 989 Views
Very true Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 02:39:41 AM 695 Views
Not exclusively. Nate - 24/08/2011 02:48:58 AM 787 Views
All those people you mentioned fall under "temporary" Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:06:04 AM 747 Views
Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:18:27 AM 799 Views
That's what I've never understood Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:24:20 AM 796 Views
That's what I assume as well.....but honestly..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:32:59 AM 624 Views
What if everyone really did try their hardest? Nate - 24/08/2011 03:38:39 AM 695 Views
Illegals would cover those jobs and we will continue to look the other way - trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:46:55 AM 703 Views
So you, as a Republican, approve of illegal immigration? *NM* Macharius - 24/08/2011 03:49:26 AM 345 Views
In the scenario Nate illustrated, I would be more tolerant of illegals. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:53:23 AM 649 Views
Not possible Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:48:05 AM 784 Views
You have that in Eastern European countries Helene - 24/08/2011 11:05:07 PM 784 Views
There are several possibilities. Nate - 24/08/2011 03:30:32 AM 767 Views
Very true and very wise take ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:33:53 AM 698 Views
Re: Okay, I will be the mean guy and say it.....why have three kids Aeryn - 24/08/2011 04:15:54 AM 703 Views
The first few weeks suck ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 04:30:13 AM 763 Views
Celibacy is a choice, but chosen for the wrong reasons and it never works Roland00 - 24/08/2011 06:31:47 AM 783 Views
I found most of what you wrote tough to decipher ... Roonas - 24/08/2011 07:14:42 AM 833 Views
I think people misuse the word "celibacy" Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:27:27 PM 869 Views
"Lifelong" is a stretch.....just long enough so you aren't poor anymore. trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 05:03:30 AM 814 Views
What if you're one of those unfortunate souls who will never be a middle manager? No sex for you! *NM* Aeryn - 26/08/2011 04:24:36 PM 367 Views
Maybe you should stop voting for the people who oppose birth control and sex ed, then. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 25/08/2011 06:10:15 AM 306 Views
Is it so much opposition to... Jeordam - 25/08/2011 09:18:12 PM 779 Views
It's opposition to birth control and sex ed. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 01:06:38 AM 692 Views
now that is true liberal thinking random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:24:02 PM 786 Views
No joke. This thought process kind of puts me on edge. *NM* Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:47:15 PM 391 Views
Neither you nor Jeordam has justified that position. Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:05:51 AM 706 Views
wow you go deeper and deeper into the the land of far left crazy random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:31:45 PM 762 Views
I don't view the "liberty" to teach lies to children as something that merits state investment. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:17:27 AM 973 Views
looks like someone has tuaght you a fair amount of lies random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:01:29 PM 638 Views
I will take this as a concession since it contains nothing even close to legitimate objection. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:18:14 PM 304 Views
that should work since you do seem to be talented at believing what you want to be true is true *NM* random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:45:17 PM 350 Views
I can comment on this one.... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:51:40 PM 822 Views
Re: I can comment on this one.... Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:54:07 AM 704 Views
who opposes birth control? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2011 09:37:04 PM 404 Views
Many religous groups such as Catholics, it is cultural as well *NM* Roland00 - 25/08/2011 10:01:39 PM 345 Views
From the context from this sub-thread, maybe the question was regarding specific politicians? *NM* Jeordam - 25/08/2011 11:21:32 PM 365 Views
I don't believe we have a chatloiuc party or any anti-birth control party *NM* random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:15:56 PM 383 Views
The Republican party and social conservatives in general. Dreaded Anomaly - 26/08/2011 12:52:32 AM 777 Views
so your answer is left wing talking points and damn reality? random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:14:58 PM 765 Views
Reality leans left. Dreaded Anomaly - 27/08/2011 11:56:00 PM 774 Views
you talking about reality is funny but it doesn't support your argument in the slighetest random thoughts - 28/08/2011 03:37:42 PM 647 Views
They blatantly lied about the effectiveness of birth control. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 04:14:17 AM 649 Views
Can you show me where Bush said that? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 02:03:53 PM 732 Views
No, I have most of the groups that taught abstinence-only. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/08/2011 05:17:39 PM 757 Views
the little bit of slanted reality form a Waxman staffer? random thoughts - 29/08/2011 05:43:42 PM 769 Views
Talk about believing what you want to believe. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:38:49 AM 670 Views
Funny..... Jeordam - 26/08/2011 05:54:38 PM 764 Views
Re: Funny..... Dreaded Anomaly - 28/08/2011 12:15:25 AM 675 Views
I'll just comment on this one thought... Jeordam - 29/08/2011 11:58:08 PM 801 Views
The state does if the parent places their children in public education. Dreaded Anomaly - 30/08/2011 03:58:29 AM 791 Views
The number of ridiculous stereotypes in your first paragraph are off the hook. Are you joking? everynametaken - 24/08/2011 02:53:13 AM 609 Views
Ridiculous stereotypes? Dark Knight - 24/08/2011 03:03:52 AM 799 Views
You are much more right than wrong..... trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 03:23:22 AM 710 Views
"Most poor people are lazy nowadays due to... welfare and government dependence." Ghavrel - 24/08/2011 06:48:29 AM 718 Views
The truth sometimes sucks, but it is the truth nonetheless..... *NM* trzaska2000 - 24/08/2011 02:53:49 PM 359 Views
I agree for the most part Roland00 - 24/08/2011 03:27:21 AM 628 Views
Woah woah woah. You had me until the end LadyLorraine - 25/08/2011 09:21:50 AM 753 Views
I know the chances of that are very slim Roland00 - 25/08/2011 01:07:41 PM 666 Views
This video is unavailable from your location *NM* Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 03:42:26 AM 363 Views
Does this work? Roland00 - 24/08/2011 04:21:47 AM 623 Views
Still only visible from the States... Colonel Logain - 24/08/2011 04:27:32 AM 622 Views
Not so, the first link works for me here. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:31:18 AM 718 Views
Tax hikes for unemployed homeless people to pay for an(other) "one time" corporate tax holiday. Joel - 26/08/2011 01:25:16 AM 787 Views
Crap presentation of an important issue. Vodalus - 26/08/2011 05:32:46 AM 873 Views
no one thinks a family of four can live on that random thoughts - 26/08/2011 05:28:49 PM 651 Views
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