Yet I believe most of the cases people have highlighted of late don't pass the test. Now I've got no problem on calling people out for poor phrasing and reminding them to pick their words with care, but as I've said, I feel there must be a fairly tangible case that the person meant to incite it, mens rea and all. Your example, where the person whispers afterward 'metaphorically' would indeed be sufficient for me, at least for conviction in the court of public opinion, because it can be demonstrated pretty clearly that they did have an intent for the words to have that effect. "DRINK DUFF... responsibly" if you remember the reference, is a different story from someone getting a bit overenthusiastic and saying "Now let's get out there and kick some GOP/Dem ass!" or "We're gonna absolutely kill them." if someone is pretty clearly - to a reasonable person - talking about ballots. Perry should have been a lot more careful but I simply can't see his comments as any sort of attempt to encourage violence, though I do rather wish he'd ratchet back on Texas Stereotype behavior.
No, if I believe there's any sort of decent indication the person really was attempting to stir up trouble of that sort I'm all for hitting them hard, and I've got zero problems telling someone who didn't mean to do it but did it that they need to learn more caution and slapping them down hard if they do a lot of repeat performances, but I do think you set the standard a touch to high. Also I didn't mean to imply you hated Perry or Hoffa, I was merely talking in general terms about people who apply situational ethics and partisan bias with a very free hand when setting their standards. I've no issue with trying to set a more civil tone but I also can't condemn someone for their choice of words, civil or not, if I don't believe they either had intent to incite violence or really went outside the safe zone either repeatedly or with little legit cause for a mistake.
No, if I believe there's any sort of decent indication the person really was attempting to stir up trouble of that sort I'm all for hitting them hard, and I've got zero problems telling someone who didn't mean to do it but did it that they need to learn more caution and slapping them down hard if they do a lot of repeat performances, but I do think you set the standard a touch to high. Also I didn't mean to imply you hated Perry or Hoffa, I was merely talking in general terms about people who apply situational ethics and partisan bias with a very free hand when setting their standards. I've no issue with trying to set a more civil tone but I also can't condemn someone for their choice of words, civil or not, if I don't believe they either had intent to incite violence or really went outside the safe zone either repeatedly or with little legit cause for a mistake.
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Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of Bitches Out"
05/09/2011 07:42:59 PM
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erm, isn't that that guy who died/vanished mysteriously ages ago? *NM*
05/09/2011 08:46:20 PM
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This is junior.....apple doesn't fall far does it? *NM*
05/09/2011 09:01:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's actually his zombie... and what, no in the title? *NM*
05/09/2011 09:14:42 PM
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I decided to give everyone a short break from the thumbs, it's a Labor Day present! *NM*
05/09/2011 10:22:44 PM
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Violent rhetoric from the teamsters is not surprising
05/09/2011 09:27:54 PM
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I was sans internet after the 1st.
12/09/2011 10:32:55 PM
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Fair enough
12/09/2011 11:03:10 PM
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Re: Fair enough
13/09/2011 12:47:19 AM
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No disagreement in principle
13/09/2011 03:55:19 AM
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Sounds like our only disagreement is over where to strike the balance.
15/09/2011 12:36:50 PM
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you think saying we would treat someone ugly is grounds for prosecution. Now that is scary *NM*
12/09/2011 11:32:24 PM
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Yeah, he left it vague enough to avoid responsibility for anything a supporter did at his urging.
13/09/2011 12:53:34 AM
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you mena he left it vague enough for people who really want to believe it was a threat
13/09/2011 02:01:29 PM
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I'm still not sure what non-threatening hostile ACTS you think he was suggesting.
13/09/2011 02:34:09 PM
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Yeah, cause violent rhetoric works so well with Liberal Ideology.
05/09/2011 10:54:11 PM
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Obama/WH = coward.....no comment on remarks by union d-head.
06/09/2011 04:50:42 PM
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And yet, you never expect GOP leadership to call out their hotheads.
06/09/2011 06:31:14 PM
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no the definition of hypocrisy would be the none stop whining about tone we hear from the left
06/09/2011 06:51:52 PM
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If you'll notice, I have condemned it in this thread. twice.
06/09/2011 07:12:54 PM
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yes but only so you could make your "but the republicans are worse" comments
06/09/2011 08:07:37 PM
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random is right - I/my side weren't the ones whining about civility for months.....
06/09/2011 08:29:12 PM
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I would be dissappointed in Obama if he did apologize. The video you watched was doctored.
08/09/2011 01:35:39 AM
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when you compare what Hoffa said vs what people got upset about Palin saying Palin wins
08/09/2011 05:03:18 AM
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That was stupid too. I just want to throttle people when they get stupid about interpreting crap
09/09/2011 01:37:02 AM
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So nobody at all bothered to look for an unedited version of the speech? Really?
08/09/2011 12:04:50 AM
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I did, but it's not really pertinent to most of our comments
08/09/2011 04:02:42 AM
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I'm not so much objecting to him as much as I am advocating having him shot by Pinkertons *NM*
08/09/2011 05:37:10 AM
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I am tired of anyone getting their panties in a bunch on purpose because they choose to interpret
09/09/2011 01:43:14 AM
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For me that video changes nothing; his rhetorical imagery was unacceptably violent.
12/09/2011 10:28:00 PM
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I don't think that we can afford to watch every single little thing we say and obliterate any
13/09/2011 12:56:34 AM
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Terms from fighting probably can't be ignored; terms from war can be.
13/09/2011 02:07:17 AM
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