politicians break promises all the time, why not on this subject?
Actually most politicians do not break promises all the time, people just say that like a mantra, plus individual people tend to decide something was a promise that wasn't and wasn't meant to be. This is also a written document they have to read and sign with short and clear language, and it has been made abundantly clear since the pledge's inception that violating the pledge, particularly its spirit or in a major fashion, would all but guarantee a strong primary challenge. I would consider voting for someone who didn't sign the pledge, for instance, but I would not vote for someone who signed it and broke it in any tangible fashion. There is some wiggle room for raising taxes in the language too, nor is it a suicide pact, but and I think most GOP primary voters would want a damn good reason for the violation, here's the House of Reps pledge:
I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district
of the state of__________, and to the American people that I will:
ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax
rates for individuals and/or businesses; and
TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and
credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.
On the campaign trail there is no room for a violater to say "That was out of context" or "This is a nuanced issue". And that's been signed by all but 6 of the GOP House Reps as well as 2 Dem house reps. I don't believe its really been specified but a house rep who wanted out of the pledge could say "I'm out of the pledge after this term" and so long as there was another primary election for them before they opted out I don't think there'd be an accusation of breaking their pledge. Other than that, they'd have to have some really, really good extenuating circumstances or face a powerfully backed primary challenger. This is a written pledge, not some short comment on the campaign trail, most voters would frown strongly on violating something like that and if anything the staunch GOP loyalists who tend to cough up donations and routinely vote in primaries tend to be even more hardcore about violating what would be seen as a written contract. So, every time the democrats try this again with some minor alteration, it's a non-starter and they know it, which is why we accuse them of playing politics rather than making serious suggestions. That is why we keep calling it a non-starter, it requires from the get-go that someone break their word.
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This message last edited by Isaac on 18/09/2011 at 08:17:42 PM
Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans
18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM
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You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly
18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM
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is this pledge legally binding?
18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM
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Re: is this pledge legally binding?
18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM
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That's rather easy though, isn't it?
18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM
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Not really
18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM
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Many will find any pledge unreasonable.
19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM
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Too bad for them, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits just like in real life
19/09/2011 08:35:13 PM
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If elected I pledge not to post on the RPMB.
20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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That didn't really make sense
20/09/2011 07:26:40 PM
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Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle.
20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
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Now you're debating with the definition of the word
20/09/2011 08:22:53 PM
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No, I accept the definition of the word, but reject cynical abuse of it.
21/09/2011 01:37:01 AM
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Could have done with out the kegger imagery
But this just makes it your opinion
21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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There is a problem with compromise in this situation and lot of it the way it is being framed
19/09/2011 02:57:32 PM
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and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013
20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM
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Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM*
18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM
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This really doesn't address what Buffet was talking about, but that's not a surprise either.
18/09/2011 08:35:25 PM
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Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM*
19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM
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They are already.
19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM
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Maybe I should be clearer
19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM
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I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies
19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM
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Actually, I think you AND Tom, as well as Isaac, are right.
19/09/2011 07:13:56 AM
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Class warfare doesn't work.....if it did, the R's would not have kicked butt in 2010
19/09/2011 03:21:17 PM
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"If there's a class war in this country, my class is winning."--Warren Buffet
20/09/2011 07:54:45 PM
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There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM*
19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM
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+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM*
19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM
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Agreed
19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM
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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM
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I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM*
20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM
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And every child should be adequately fed and recieve a good education *NM*
19/09/2011 10:40:58 PM
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Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself.
20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax.
21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM
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a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax
21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM
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It doesn't have to be
21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM
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Your solution is to tax people's savings? Tax "money storage", so that would be banks, right?
21/09/2011 10:29:36 PM
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