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That's rather easy though, isn't it? Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM
On the campaign trail there is no room for a violater to say "That was out of context" or "This is a nuanced issue". And that's been signed by all but 6 of the GOP House Reps as well as 2 Dem house reps. I don't believe its really been specified but a house rep who wanted out of the pledge could say "I'm out of the pledge after this term" and so long as there was another primary election for them before they opted out I don't think there'd be an accusation of breaking their pledge. Other than that, they'd have to have some really, really good extenuating circumstances or face a powerfully backed primary challenger. This is a written pledge, not some short comment on the campaign trail, most voters would frown strongly on violating something like that and if anything the staunch GOP loyalists who tend to cough up donations and routinely vote in primaries tend to be even more hardcore about violating what would be seen as a written contract. So, every time the democrats try this again with some minor alteration, it's a non-starter and they know it, which is why we accuse them of playing politics rather than making serious suggestions. That is why we keep calling it a non-starter, it requires from the get-go that someone break their word.

What is stopping politicians from all parties and all stances from starting to sign pledges on all kinds of issues, and then saying "this is a non-starter and you know it, stop playing politics" whenever someone tries to offer a compromise that doesn't stroke with their pledge? Or to take a more concrete example, what if a large amount of Dems at the next election make such a pledge not to accept a large compromise on the budget if it doesn't entail de facto tax increases for the wealthy? Finding a compromise on these issues is hard enough without pressuring Congressmen and -women to surrender control of their votes to some lobby or radical base.
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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans - 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM 1241 Views
You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly - 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM 606 Views
is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM 538 Views
Re: is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM 753 Views
read my lips still haunts them *NM* - 18/09/2011 08:23:29 PM 458 Views
And with good reason - 18/09/2011 08:38:10 PM 699 Views
That's rather easy though, isn't it? - 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM 752 Views
Not really - 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM 706 Views
Many will find any pledge unreasonable. - 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM 654 Views
and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013 - 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM 780 Views
????? - 20/09/2011 07:16:00 PM 621 Views
Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM* - 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM 331 Views
not that it really matters - 18/09/2011 06:57:21 PM 756 Views
Don't confuse posturing with actual positions. - 18/09/2011 08:59:42 PM 633 Views
NO TAX INCREASES ON ANYONE, NOT ONE PENNY..... - 18/09/2011 11:15:11 PM 765 Views
George Carlin has a great routine on shit and stuff - 19/09/2011 01:32:22 AM 673 Views
So you're solution is... do nothing? *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:39:06 AM 433 Views
Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM 301 Views
They are already. - 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM 541 Views
Maybe I should be clearer - 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM 697 Views
I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies - 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM 602 Views
I agree with all that *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:00:35 PM 425 Views
There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM 342 Views
+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM* - 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM 285 Views
Agreed - 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM 699 Views
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." - 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM 684 Views
I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM 319 Views
I suspected that, but wasn't sure. - 25/09/2011 03:03:47 PM 772 Views
I was just going to say the same thing - 19/09/2011 08:23:39 PM 866 Views
Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself. - 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM 563 Views
Wages are set by economic factors, not the government - 20/09/2011 07:46:18 PM 529 Views
well they wouldn't be in a worker's paradise *NM* - 20/09/2011 08:25:56 PM 299 Views
Sorry, didn't see this until now. - 27/09/2011 11:31:39 PM 770 Views
That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax. - 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM 576 Views
a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax - 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM 635 Views
It doesn't have to be - 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM 739 Views

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