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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." Joel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM
Rich people don't deserve to have their income taxed more than the rest of us. Have every citizen do their part by paying the same percentage of their income in taxes and then let them keep the rest of their rightfully earned money. From the richest to the poorest, it's their money and none of them deserve to be soaked for more money than anyone else.

Or to borrow a line Snopes says Willie Sutton never uttered, soaking the rich is less about spite or punitive measures and more the fact "that's where the money is." One of your neighbors (et al.) once observed that Robin Hood didn't stole from the rich because stealing from the poor is pointless, not out of principle.

All of which is to say, everything costs money, whether in government or the private sector. Provided we carefully watch the people we elect to count our beans, a lot of things cost LESS if paid for with taxes instead of directly out of our individual pockets, but still aren't free. Lockheed manufactures stealth fighters for profit, not patriotism, and if we want to keep deploying them we'll spend tax money for the privilege.

Whether or not it's fair to expect people who flip burgers to devote as large a percentage of their income to that as do the people paying them, it's not realistic because you can't get blood from a stone. Adopting the flat 15% income tax Senator Lamar Alexander famously suggested would devastate our national defence as well as result in millions of elderly and/or poor people starving to death in the streets; even he implicitly recognized this when he revived his proposal three years ago as a 17% flat tax. Endorsing a flat tax is endorsing either that or a big increase in your own taxes, so if you want neither of those things I strongly suggest reconsidering your endorsement of a flat tax that would--MUST--inevitably cause (at least) one of them.

Personally, I understand (sort of) the Libertarian view that all forms of government are a pernicious evil best eliminated, that taxes are thus an inseparable and particularly undesirable form of that evil. What flabbergasts me is that many Republicans embrace the "my country, right or wrong!" philosophy, then turn right around and finanically hamstring the object of their fanatical devotion. No organization can be run on a shoe string budget, and that definitely includes the government of the most powerful nation in history. We tax the rich more, as every advanced nation does, because we need the money and they're the ones who have it, not out of malice. Whether or not it's fair, that's the cold hard reality; while changing reality is, to an extent, a viable option, until we change that one a flat tax is NOT viable.
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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans - 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM 1157 Views
You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly - 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM 550 Views
is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM 480 Views
Re: is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM 665 Views
read my lips still haunts them *NM* - 18/09/2011 08:23:29 PM 421 Views
And with good reason - 18/09/2011 08:38:10 PM 638 Views
That's rather easy though, isn't it? - 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM 677 Views
Not really - 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM 639 Views
Many will find any pledge unreasonable. - 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM 586 Views
and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013 - 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM 726 Views
????? - 20/09/2011 07:16:00 PM 559 Views
Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM* - 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM 307 Views
not that it really matters - 18/09/2011 06:57:21 PM 700 Views
Don't confuse posturing with actual positions. - 18/09/2011 08:59:42 PM 575 Views
NO TAX INCREASES ON ANYONE, NOT ONE PENNY..... - 18/09/2011 11:15:11 PM 705 Views
George Carlin has a great routine on shit and stuff - 19/09/2011 01:32:22 AM 599 Views
So you're solution is... do nothing? *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:39:06 AM 409 Views
Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM 276 Views
They are already. - 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM 476 Views
Maybe I should be clearer - 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM 640 Views
I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies - 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM 539 Views
I agree with all that *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:00:35 PM 401 Views
There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM 319 Views
+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM* - 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM 262 Views
Agreed - 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM 636 Views
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." - 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM 623 Views
I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM 297 Views
I suspected that, but wasn't sure. - 25/09/2011 03:03:47 PM 713 Views
I was just going to say the same thing - 19/09/2011 08:23:39 PM 805 Views
Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself. - 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM 511 Views
Wages are set by economic factors, not the government - 20/09/2011 07:46:18 PM 463 Views
well they wouldn't be in a worker's paradise *NM* - 20/09/2011 08:25:56 PM 274 Views
Sorry, didn't see this until now. - 27/09/2011 11:31:39 PM 714 Views
That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax. - 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM 520 Views
a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax - 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM 580 Views
It doesn't have to be - 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM 683 Views

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