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Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle. Joel Send a noteboard - 20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
The entirety of your argument seems to be that pledges and promises mean nothing, as opposed to my own which said they only mean something if you enforce them by calling breakers to account and that each pledge has to be weighed on its own merits... I can't believe you're even arguing this with me. And that you don't like the pledge is no concern of mine, you want to raise taxes, you are a liberal, you have no reason to like the pledge. I would not like a pledge where people said "I will only appoint pro-choice judges" but that's hardly and illegitimate pledge showing someone is obstinate. If all you've got to rebut with is cynicism, and illogical cynicism at that, don't waste my time.

That's consistent with the idea that an action taken to serve ones interest doesn't become virtuous simply because it's incidentally the right thing to do. Anyone who wants to gain respect with a public pledge rather than simply rally those who agree with their predetermined decisions should make a pledge that will actually cost them something (rather than a pledge that costs them nothing personally but costs the nation any chance of policy reform.) How I feel about the terms of the pledge itself is neither here nor there to that; a pledge to only appoint pro-choice judges is just as bad, and a good example of how Democrats in the '70s and '80s let themselves become so captive to radicals in the base that Republicans could routinely and successfully paint them as too extreme for the general electorate. Pledges and promises CAN mean a great deal, but a pledge to pre-existing goals is just a rallying cry to pre-existing supporters and categorical dismissal of opponents, not a visionary statement of principle.
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Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans - 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM 1155 Views
You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly - 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM 549 Views
is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM 480 Views
Re: is this pledge legally binding? - 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM 663 Views
read my lips still haunts them *NM* - 18/09/2011 08:23:29 PM 421 Views
And with good reason - 18/09/2011 08:38:10 PM 638 Views
That's rather easy though, isn't it? - 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM 675 Views
Not really - 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM 638 Views
Many will find any pledge unreasonable. - 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM 585 Views
Too bad for them, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits just like in real life - 19/09/2011 08:35:13 PM 569 Views
If elected I pledge not to post on the RPMB. - 20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM 726 Views
That didn't really make sense - 20/09/2011 07:26:40 PM 659 Views
Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle. - 20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM 692 Views
and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013 - 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM 724 Views
????? - 20/09/2011 07:16:00 PM 558 Views
Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM* - 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM 307 Views
not that it really matters - 18/09/2011 06:57:21 PM 698 Views
Don't confuse posturing with actual positions. - 18/09/2011 08:59:42 PM 574 Views
NO TAX INCREASES ON ANYONE, NOT ONE PENNY..... - 18/09/2011 11:15:11 PM 703 Views
George Carlin has a great routine on shit and stuff - 19/09/2011 01:32:22 AM 598 Views
So you're solution is... do nothing? *NM* - 21/09/2011 03:39:06 AM 409 Views
Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM 276 Views
They are already. - 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM 475 Views
Maybe I should be clearer - 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM 639 Views
I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies - 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM 538 Views
I agree with all that *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:00:35 PM 401 Views
There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM* - 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM 319 Views
+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM* - 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM 262 Views
Agreed - 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM 634 Views
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it." - 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM 622 Views
I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM 297 Views
I suspected that, but wasn't sure. - 25/09/2011 03:03:47 PM 712 Views
I was just going to say the same thing - 19/09/2011 08:23:39 PM 803 Views
Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself. - 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM 510 Views
Wages are set by economic factors, not the government - 20/09/2011 07:46:18 PM 463 Views
well they wouldn't be in a worker's paradise *NM* - 20/09/2011 08:25:56 PM 274 Views
Sorry, didn't see this until now. - 27/09/2011 11:31:39 PM 713 Views
That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax. - 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM 518 Views
a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax - 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM 579 Views
It doesn't have to be - 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM 681 Views

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