Believe it or not, or primary difference there is over how massive the cuts to both should be, but I can at least respect the consistency of your position and its lack of double standards; I only wish both were more common.
My core point though is that, unless we want to completely disband the government and let anarchy rule, we must tax to finance whatever level of government we do tolerate (though your presidential candidate neighbor seems to dispute this, despite her career as an IRS lawyer.)
Likewise, we must get that tax money from those who have it. Whether or not placing most of the tax burden on the nations comparatively few wealthy people rather than expecting the more numerous but less wealthy to pay an equal share is fair, there is no choice so long as they have almost all the money. You may recall Jon Stewart recenty deriding Congressional Republicans who countered a proposed millionaire tax hike with a proposed food stamp tax hike: Maybe it would be more fair to increase taxes on the 51% of America paying nothing, but taking EVERYTHING they own would only bring in a little over $400 billion, or about 25% of our 2011 deficit, which doesn't begin to solve the problem. Meanwhile, Americas total personal wealth (i.e. the half with <$0.5 trillion plus the half with more) was estimated at $54.2 trillion in 2009. If you had to balance a massive budget, would you get the money from the half of America with <$0.5 trillion or the half with $53.7 trillion?
Sorry for the delay; never got email notification of your response.
My core point though is that, unless we want to completely disband the government and let anarchy rule, we must tax to finance whatever level of government we do tolerate (though your presidential candidate neighbor seems to dispute this, despite her career as an IRS lawyer.)
Likewise, we must get that tax money from those who have it. Whether or not placing most of the tax burden on the nations comparatively few wealthy people rather than expecting the more numerous but less wealthy to pay an equal share is fair, there is no choice so long as they have almost all the money. You may recall Jon Stewart recenty deriding Congressional Republicans who countered a proposed millionaire tax hike with a proposed food stamp tax hike: Maybe it would be more fair to increase taxes on the 51% of America paying nothing, but taking EVERYTHING they own would only bring in a little over $400 billion, or about 25% of our 2011 deficit, which doesn't begin to solve the problem. Meanwhile, Americas total personal wealth (i.e. the half with <$0.5 trillion plus the half with more) was estimated at $54.2 trillion in 2009. If you had to balance a massive budget, would you get the money from the half of America with <$0.5 trillion or the half with $53.7 trillion?
Sorry for the delay; never got email notification of your response.
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This message last edited by Joel on 25/09/2011 at 03:12:19 PM
Ok so increasing taxes on people making 1million+ is also NOT ok with Republicans
- 18/09/2011 04:43:29 PM
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You act surprised, this has been said since the beginning, openly and repeatedly
- 18/09/2011 05:48:57 PM
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is this pledge legally binding?
- 18/09/2011 06:52:44 PM
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Re: is this pledge legally binding?
- 18/09/2011 08:14:49 PM
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That's rather easy though, isn't it?
- 18/09/2011 09:02:49 PM
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Not really
- 18/09/2011 10:02:12 PM
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Many will find any pledge unreasonable.
- 19/09/2011 07:01:20 AM
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Too bad for them, any pledge stands or falls on its own merits just like in real life
- 19/09/2011 08:35:13 PM
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If elected I pledge not to post on the RPMB.
- 20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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- 20/09/2011 01:54:00 PM
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That didn't really make sense
- 20/09/2011 07:26:40 PM
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Sure it does: Pledging to do what one wanted to do anyway is rhetoric, not principle.
- 20/09/2011 08:04:25 PM
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Now you're debating with the definition of the word
- 20/09/2011 08:22:53 PM
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No, I accept the definition of the word, but reject cynical abuse of it.
- 21/09/2011 01:37:01 AM
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Could have done with out the kegger imagery
But this just makes it your opinion
- 21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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But this just makes it your opinion
- 21/09/2011 02:10:47 AM
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There is a problem with compromise in this situation and lot of it the way it is being framed
- 19/09/2011 02:57:32 PM
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and if a republican becomes president, i'm sure all taxes will go up in 2013
- 20/09/2011 04:39:21 PM
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Well, I'm glad they've at least raised the income range they were discussing. *NM*
- 18/09/2011 06:10:57 PM
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This really doesn't address what Buffet was talking about, but that's not a surprise either.
- 18/09/2011 08:35:25 PM
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Simple change the law so capital gains are considered income, that will increase taxes on the rich *NM*
- 19/09/2011 01:21:41 AM
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They are already.
- 19/09/2011 02:42:08 AM
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Maybe I should be clearer
- 19/09/2011 02:59:34 AM
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I've long felt the capital gains rate has ruined public companies
- 19/09/2011 05:13:40 AM
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Actually, I think you AND Tom, as well as Isaac, are right.
- 19/09/2011 07:13:56 AM
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Class warfare doesn't work.....if it did, the R's would not have kicked butt in 2010
- 19/09/2011 03:21:17 PM
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"If there's a class war in this country, my class is winning."--Warren Buffet
- 20/09/2011 07:54:45 PM
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There should be a set tax percentage that every US citizen pays. *NM*
- 19/09/2011 01:25:13 PM
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+1 - a flat tax, with no or limited deductions is the way to go *NM*
- 19/09/2011 03:16:53 PM
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Agreed
- 19/09/2011 03:46:47 PM
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"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
- 20/09/2011 02:48:19 PM
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I fully advocate massive cuts to both entitlement programs and military spending *NM*
- 20/09/2011 11:53:10 PM
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I suspected that, but wasn't sure.
- 25/09/2011 03:03:47 PM
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And every child should be adequately fed and recieve a good education *NM*
- 19/09/2011 10:40:58 PM
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Why not a fixed wage for all US workers; then the problem solves itself.
- 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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- 20/09/2011 01:56:35 PM
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That works if you get rid of regressive taxes like the sales tax.
- 21/09/2011 04:34:07 PM
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a lot of people don't seem to understand that sales tax is a regressive tax
- 21/09/2011 04:44:16 PM
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It doesn't have to be
- 21/09/2011 07:45:31 PM
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Your solution is to tax people's savings? Tax "money storage", so that would be banks, right?
- 21/09/2011 10:29:36 PM
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