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I disagree. Joel Send a noteboard - 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM
There is a rule. It is a standardly accepted rule. You are aware of the rule. You are intentionally breaking the rule, but your intent doesn't matter. You're wrong. That you don't agree with the rule and don't like the rule and can explain to anyone who will listen why the rule shouldn't be a rule doesn't change that. Obviously you're okay being wrong, and that's your prerogative. But you're still wrong.

There are TWO rules, in direct contradiction. It is consequently impossible to be "right;" being "not wrong" is the only option, and inconsistency is a poor start toward that goal. One of the two rules is unique, arbitrary, unnecessary and confusing, hence I find those same objections to my habit unconvincing reasons to abandon it. The principal differences between that rule and my usage is that the latter is 1) consistent and uniform but 2) less popular. That alone is a rather weak claim to orthodoxy, particular at the expense of clarity and functionality.
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Grammar junkies Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 06:46:31 PM 1079 Views
I'm not always sure that I'm correct, but.... nossy - 05/10/2011 07:04:13 PM 775 Views
I didn't see any errors Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 07:24:27 PM 757 Views
Re: I didn't see any errors nossy - 06/10/2011 03:14:07 PM 635 Views
You mean ... Nate - 06/10/2011 03:58:32 PM 687 Views
Must ... have ... grammar. Nate - 05/10/2011 07:53:34 PM 944 Views
For you and Tom as well, the same question about question eight. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:33:39 PM 1211 Views
Tom can probably give you actual terms and correct rules, but here's my take on it. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:43:47 PM 714 Views
Er...yes I meant them as a singular idea... *NM* Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:47:34 PM 449 Views
Use them together, and only together, for fifteen years and we can discuss this again. *NM* Tom - 05/10/2011 09:32:30 PM 379 Views
That makes sense as far as it goes. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:02:42 PM 751 Views
But do you actually regard them that way? Nate - 05/10/2011 09:08:36 PM 748 Views
Yeah, pretty much. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:25:18 PM 707 Views
Re: Yeah, pretty much. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:29:33 PM 570 Views
OK then. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:59:50 PM 747 Views
No, Joel. You're just wrong. Again. Get used to it. We have. Tom - 05/10/2011 09:31:21 PM 649 Views
I can live with being wrong, at least in the sense of technical error. Joel - 05/10/2011 10:06:30 PM 744 Views
Let's just pare this down to the bare bones. Tom - 06/10/2011 01:37:30 AM 604 Views
He made a mistake that I did not recognize as a mistake because I read his words as he intended. Joel - 06/10/2011 04:43:39 AM 750 Views
You bring up a point that I was researching the other day Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:53:40 PM 797 Views
You guys mean a hyphen, not a dash. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:00:25 PM 729 Views
You're right of course! Nate - 05/10/2011 09:13:44 PM 811 Views
I frequently am. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:16:38 PM 809 Views
So I've noticed. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:19:38 PM 720 Views
I like telling people, too. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:34:50 PM 724 Views
You can use charmap. Joel - 05/10/2011 10:21:32 PM 769 Views
Re: You guys mean a hyphen, not a dash. Stephen - 06/10/2011 01:15:02 PM 689 Views
Mmm, dashing. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:02:53 PM 727 Views
Emdashing is an entirely different form of punctuation. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:07:36 PM 775 Views
Achtung! Grammatik! :insert Nazi-saluting smiley as the Wehrmacht marches by: Tom - 05/10/2011 08:10:45 PM 846 Views
I love this bit. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:26:52 PM 838 Views
Bring back the BSG! Joel - 05/10/2011 08:55:32 PM 753 Views
Re: your 2nd irritating error for question 2 Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 04:12:49 PM 703 Views
Good poll, especially for this site. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:11:10 PM 844 Views
Re: serial comma. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:31:58 PM 719 Views
Maybe I was being a little anal there. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:35:33 PM 688 Views
Same here Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:43:34 PM 624 Views
I think it's conventional to use a comma before "etc". Rebekah - 05/10/2011 08:55:11 PM 700 Views
Re: Grammar junkies random thoughts - 05/10/2011 08:33:06 PM 739 Views
Re: Grammar junkies Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:49:43 PM 789 Views
People should talk in a way that can be understood, else they are not communicating. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:17:37 PM 785 Views
Re: "everyone's". ~winky~ *NM* Nate - 05/10/2011 09:22:18 PM 365 Views
Is it time for my lecture on superfluous apostrophes again? Joel - 05/10/2011 09:43:47 PM 689 Views
You mean your lecture on "superfluous" apostrophes. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:53:31 PM 646 Views
As have I. Multiple times. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 09:55:08 PM 353 Views
I am not stubborn, just true to my convictions. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:56:39 PM 897 Views
Unsurprisingly, I don't really agree with you at all on this point. :p Nate - 05/10/2011 10:29:59 PM 771 Views
I do not really think I am "right" on this one so much as "not wrong." Joel - 06/10/2011 12:01:36 AM 676 Views
But contradictions are inherent in the entire English language! Nate - 06/10/2011 01:25:39 AM 695 Views
Ghoti. Also, this is why Rebekah and don't argue this any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2011 04:44:42 AM 325 Views
Sure, but not deliberate ones created by grammarians who know better. Joel - 06/10/2011 05:40:58 AM 702 Views
I'm going to listen to the others. Nate - 06/10/2011 06:17:18 AM 718 Views
Like I say, I appreciate exceptions when justified (and again, only claiming to be "not wrong." ) Joel - 06/10/2011 07:26:18 AM 612 Views
But you are wrong Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 02:17:40 PM 743 Views
that is OK he is very good at being wrong *NM* random thoughts - 06/10/2011 03:43:23 PM 387 Views
I disagree. Joel - 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM 687 Views
How utterly unsurprising Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2011 02:21:38 PM 640 Views
"We want to be nothing if not persistent." Joel - 07/10/2011 02:39:19 PM 700 Views
Doesn't matter. Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2011 03:12:14 PM 727 Views
Perhaps not, but it should, and I am not above being a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:17:35 PM 793 Views
What. Zeeb - 06/10/2011 06:17:41 PM 786 Views
Those cases are not the same, because those words are already possessive in their own right. Joel - 06/10/2011 10:52:06 PM 780 Views
if you have trouble understanding my post it is more likely do to typing skills than grammar random thoughts - 05/10/2011 09:31:42 PM 699 Views
Likely so; I have the same problem, but usually when writing by hand. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:53:08 PM 677 Views
You called? Rebekah - 05/10/2011 08:53:54 PM 747 Views
Grammar schmammar! Avendesora - 05/10/2011 09:01:47 PM 822 Views
Wongy tip #77 Two Wongs - 05/10/2011 11:15:12 PM 683 Views
#1) I do not use NetSpeak while playing games, texting or using social media. TaskmasterJack - 05/10/2011 11:34:12 PM 696 Views
What about NateSpeak? *NM* Nate - 06/10/2011 04:01:08 PM 341 Views
I did use that once to tell the story of you and CNRedDragon going to see Ice Princess. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 07/10/2011 01:46:50 AM 340 Views
A timeless classic. Nate - 07/10/2011 01:53:36 AM 664 Views
Re: Grammar junkies wolfsister - 06/10/2011 01:17:28 AM 708 Views
Yes. Camilla - 06/10/2011 06:53:46 AM 647 Views
I forgot about "of" for "have." Joel - 06/10/2011 07:31:11 AM 686 Views
I try ironclad - 06/10/2011 09:18:29 AM 745 Views
I freebase split infinitives on a regular basis. Stephen - 06/10/2011 01:53:36 PM 622 Views
The split infinitive is not grammatically incorrect. Tom - 06/10/2011 02:04:34 PM 647 Views
I wish more people knew this. Rebekah - 06/10/2011 07:38:46 PM 647 Views
Junky Grammar. Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 04:24:01 PM 639 Views
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