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I disagree. Joel Send a noteboard - 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM
There is a rule. It is a standardly accepted rule. You are aware of the rule. You are intentionally breaking the rule, but your intent doesn't matter. You're wrong. That you don't agree with the rule and don't like the rule and can explain to anyone who will listen why the rule shouldn't be a rule doesn't change that. Obviously you're okay being wrong, and that's your prerogative. But you're still wrong.

There are TWO rules, in direct contradiction. It is consequently impossible to be "right;" being "not wrong" is the only option, and inconsistency is a poor start toward that goal. One of the two rules is unique, arbitrary, unnecessary and confusing, hence I find those same objections to my habit unconvincing reasons to abandon it. The principal differences between that rule and my usage is that the latter is 1) consistent and uniform but 2) less popular. That alone is a rather weak claim to orthodoxy, particular at the expense of clarity and functionality.
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Grammar junkies Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 06:46:31 PM 1126 Views
I'm not always sure that I'm correct, but.... nossy - 05/10/2011 07:04:13 PM 819 Views
I didn't see any errors Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 07:24:27 PM 804 Views
Re: I didn't see any errors nossy - 06/10/2011 03:14:07 PM 682 Views
You mean ... Nate - 06/10/2011 03:58:32 PM 764 Views
Must ... have ... grammar. Nate - 05/10/2011 07:53:34 PM 999 Views
For you and Tom as well, the same question about question eight. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:33:39 PM 1277 Views
Tom can probably give you actual terms and correct rules, but here's my take on it. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:43:47 PM 769 Views
Er...yes I meant them as a singular idea... *NM* Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:47:34 PM 466 Views
Use them together, and only together, for fifteen years and we can discuss this again. *NM* Tom - 05/10/2011 09:32:30 PM 400 Views
That makes sense as far as it goes. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:02:42 PM 809 Views
But do you actually regard them that way? Nate - 05/10/2011 09:08:36 PM 790 Views
Yeah, pretty much. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:25:18 PM 750 Views
Re: Yeah, pretty much. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:29:33 PM 625 Views
OK then. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:59:50 PM 794 Views
No, Joel. You're just wrong. Again. Get used to it. We have. Tom - 05/10/2011 09:31:21 PM 691 Views
I can live with being wrong, at least in the sense of technical error. Joel - 05/10/2011 10:06:30 PM 790 Views
Let's just pare this down to the bare bones. Tom - 06/10/2011 01:37:30 AM 649 Views
He made a mistake that I did not recognize as a mistake because I read his words as he intended. Joel - 06/10/2011 04:43:39 AM 798 Views
You bring up a point that I was researching the other day Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:53:40 PM 841 Views
You guys mean a hyphen, not a dash. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:00:25 PM 804 Views
You're right of course! Nate - 05/10/2011 09:13:44 PM 867 Views
I frequently am. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:16:38 PM 868 Views
So I've noticed. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:19:38 PM 787 Views
I like telling people, too. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:34:50 PM 781 Views
You can use charmap. Joel - 05/10/2011 10:21:32 PM 829 Views
Re: You guys mean a hyphen, not a dash. Stephen - 06/10/2011 01:15:02 PM 733 Views
Mmm, dashing. Nate - 05/10/2011 09:02:53 PM 785 Views
Emdashing is an entirely different form of punctuation. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:07:36 PM 848 Views
Achtung! Grammatik! :insert Nazi-saluting smiley as the Wehrmacht marches by: Tom - 05/10/2011 08:10:45 PM 897 Views
I love this bit. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:26:52 PM 882 Views
Bring back the BSG! Joel - 05/10/2011 08:55:32 PM 812 Views
Re: your 2nd irritating error for question 2 Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 04:12:49 PM 747 Views
Good poll, especially for this site. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:11:10 PM 903 Views
Re: serial comma. Nate - 05/10/2011 08:31:58 PM 779 Views
Maybe I was being a little anal there. Joel - 05/10/2011 08:35:33 PM 756 Views
Same here Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:43:34 PM 665 Views
I think it's conventional to use a comma before "etc". Rebekah - 05/10/2011 08:55:11 PM 740 Views
Re: Grammar junkies random thoughts - 05/10/2011 08:33:06 PM 799 Views
Re: Grammar junkies Dark Knight - 05/10/2011 08:49:43 PM 852 Views
People should talk in a way that can be understood, else they are not communicating. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:17:37 PM 843 Views
Re: "everyone's". ~winky~ *NM* Nate - 05/10/2011 09:22:18 PM 390 Views
Is it time for my lecture on superfluous apostrophes again? Joel - 05/10/2011 09:43:47 PM 753 Views
You mean your lecture on "superfluous" apostrophes. Rebekah - 05/10/2011 09:53:31 PM 694 Views
As have I. Multiple times. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2011 09:55:08 PM 373 Views
I am not stubborn, just true to my convictions. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:56:39 PM 950 Views
Unsurprisingly, I don't really agree with you at all on this point. :p Nate - 05/10/2011 10:29:59 PM 838 Views
I do not really think I am "right" on this one so much as "not wrong." Joel - 06/10/2011 12:01:36 AM 758 Views
But contradictions are inherent in the entire English language! Nate - 06/10/2011 01:25:39 AM 751 Views
Ghoti. Also, this is why Rebekah and don't argue this any more. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/10/2011 04:44:42 AM 350 Views
Sure, but not deliberate ones created by grammarians who know better. Joel - 06/10/2011 05:40:58 AM 762 Views
I'm going to listen to the others. Nate - 06/10/2011 06:17:18 AM 770 Views
Like I say, I appreciate exceptions when justified (and again, only claiming to be "not wrong." ) Joel - 06/10/2011 07:26:18 AM 661 Views
But you are wrong Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 02:17:40 PM 792 Views
that is OK he is very good at being wrong *NM* random thoughts - 06/10/2011 03:43:23 PM 404 Views
I disagree. Joel - 07/10/2011 12:15:14 AM 736 Views
How utterly unsurprising Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2011 02:21:38 PM 717 Views
"We want to be nothing if not persistent." Joel - 07/10/2011 02:39:19 PM 761 Views
Doesn't matter. Sareitha Sedai - 07/10/2011 03:12:14 PM 776 Views
Perhaps not, but it should, and I am not above being a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Joel - 08/10/2011 05:17:35 PM 863 Views
What. Zeeb - 06/10/2011 06:17:41 PM 840 Views
Those cases are not the same, because those words are already possessive in their own right. Joel - 06/10/2011 10:52:06 PM 828 Views
if you have trouble understanding my post it is more likely do to typing skills than grammar random thoughts - 05/10/2011 09:31:42 PM 750 Views
Likely so; I have the same problem, but usually when writing by hand. Joel - 05/10/2011 09:53:08 PM 722 Views
You called? Rebekah - 05/10/2011 08:53:54 PM 834 Views
Grammar schmammar! Avendesora - 05/10/2011 09:01:47 PM 870 Views
Wongy tip #77 Two Wongs - 05/10/2011 11:15:12 PM 733 Views
#1) I do not use NetSpeak while playing games, texting or using social media. TaskmasterJack - 05/10/2011 11:34:12 PM 738 Views
What about NateSpeak? *NM* Nate - 06/10/2011 04:01:08 PM 360 Views
I did use that once to tell the story of you and CNRedDragon going to see Ice Princess. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 07/10/2011 01:46:50 AM 375 Views
A timeless classic. Nate - 07/10/2011 01:53:36 AM 707 Views
Re: Grammar junkies wolfsister - 06/10/2011 01:17:28 AM 760 Views
Yes. Camilla - 06/10/2011 06:53:46 AM 698 Views
I forgot about "of" for "have." Joel - 06/10/2011 07:31:11 AM 739 Views
I try ironclad - 06/10/2011 09:18:29 AM 791 Views
I freebase split infinitives on a regular basis. Stephen - 06/10/2011 01:53:36 PM 665 Views
The split infinitive is not grammatically incorrect. Tom - 06/10/2011 02:04:34 PM 742 Views
I wish more people knew this. Rebekah - 06/10/2011 07:38:46 PM 693 Views
Junky Grammar. Sareitha Sedai - 06/10/2011 04:24:01 PM 687 Views
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