Should be simple. Not some "he said this but he really meant this" argument but where he says what you claim he said. If you can't please just admit you are know what you are saying is a load of crap but you choose to believe because it what you want to believe.
According to the book Perry wrote last year, he thinks Social Security is
1) a "bad disease,"
2) "a crumbling monument to the failure of the New Deal,"
3) "an illegal Ponzi scheme" and
4) unconstitutional because it exists "at the expense of respect for the Constitution and limited government."
In addition to his book, the Houston Chronicle quoted him in August stating Social Security is "a monstrous lie" and (yet again) "a Ponzi scheme." The AP also quoted him a week and a half ago saying Social Security should be replaced with private retirement accounts. Unless one thinks Perry supports "illegal," "unconstitutional" "fail[ed]" "Ponzi schemes," he is undeniably calling for Social Securitys abolition.
Just to be clear: I am not spending the next two days debating whether Perry means what he says, even if you (and apparently he) want to do so. The trouble with major issue flip flops like this one is that it does not matter, because it is simply debating whether he was lying last year or now.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain?
- 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM
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I have trouble taking him seriously
- 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM
693 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents.
- 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM
700 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical?
- 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM
589 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman.
- 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM
802 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM
329 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions.
- 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM
610 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS
- 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM
543 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM*
- 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM
242 Views
I believe what RT means ...
- 18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM
582 Views
No it isn't a fine point
- 18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM
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He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security.
- 18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM
727 Views
Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing
- 18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM
651 Views
It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own."
- 19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM
721 Views
Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement?
- 19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM
706 Views
Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves.
- 20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM
688 Views
The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole
- 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
641 Views
Some things are better off in private hands, but "natural dependcies" are not among those things.
- 20/10/2011 03:42:15 PM
764 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go:
- 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM
649 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it
- 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM
581 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? 
- 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
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- 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM
735 Views
no I don't
- 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM
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By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution.
- 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM
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you really excell at misunderstanding *NM*
- 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM
267 Views
I understand you but disagree, because I also understand plain English.
- 19/10/2011 02:06:23 AM
734 Views
More qualified to be President than Obama was at this stage.
- 18/10/2011 07:40:33 PM
610 Views
I assume you're refering to his implemented policies of corporate welfare? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 07:46:07 PM
265 Views
He did say, "at this stage;" Obama has been a quick study at corporate welfare.
- 19/10/2011 01:19:39 AM
609 Views
So this is an "Anybody but Obama" election for you, then? *NM*
- 19/10/2011 12:16:46 AM
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I thought that was a given, the reason Republicans will swallow their bile/tongues and vote Romney.
- 19/10/2011 01:17:46 AM
647 Views
Not just anyone. That way lies more idiocy than ignoring lies and pandering.
- 19/10/2011 07:23:18 AM
750 Views
His speeches do have a clear socialist agenda; too bad none of his policies have a hint of one.
- 20/10/2011 10:25:01 AM
782 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged
- 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM
795 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. 
- 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
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- 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM
683 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it
- 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM
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I promise
- 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM
721 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!"
- 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM
1057 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished.
- 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM
600 Views
let me ask you this about Cain
- 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM
715 Views
Why is that, would you think?
- 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM
656 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices
- 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM
699 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism.
- 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM
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I blame the press
- 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM
800 Views
It's rare that I agree with you so fully. Politics is the demesne of soundbites. *NM*
- 20/10/2011 12:38:48 AM
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I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron.
- 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM
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